Bluebirds on the Golf Course (Part 1)
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 01:39:55 -0500
From: "Darlene Sillick" dsillick"at"iwaynet.net
To: "bluebird-l" BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Cc: Lynn Wearsch lwearsch"at"copper.net, Kelly Westermeyer
westermeyer.3"at"osu.edu
Subject: golf courses...
Wendy and others interested in golf course nestbox trail work,
I have had about 4 years of work on mostly country clubs, and
several public courses and putting up trails of boxes. I have had
success with the Eastern Bluebird, Tree Swallow, Tufted Titmouse,
House Wren, Carolina Chickadee and Purple Martins. I have begun to
put housing in place for the American Kestrel, Common Flicker,
Eastern Screech Owl, Prothonatory Warbler and Great Crested
Flycatcher. I have been almost every other week, some seasons on
several of the courses, personally monitoring, banding and helping
to conduct research with Ohio Wesleyan University on bacteria
studies for 2 years. Research was also done by a grad student at
Ohio State University studying Tufted Titmice using mist nets. DNA
fingerprinting was done by OSU on other sites. I have also
conducted programs at such golf courses.
I have also fostered EABL young from Ohio Wildlife Center to
golf courses with success. Only once did I have a fatality but the
young was attacked by a house sparrow. Speaking of house sparrows,
I do fight them in some cases on the courses and have had my share
of problems. But I have persevered to the success of beneficial
species! Recovering accipitors at the wildlife center love a HOSP
or 2. I'm sensitive to the monitor and teach passive as well as
agressive sparrow control.
Each course has its own personality and sets of problems and
successes. I sometimes find an employee to monitor and in other
cases I find friends or supporters in my 'bluebird army' to assist
with the cause. They join up, sign on the 'line' and 'swear in' to
not let house sparrows fledge. I always try to see that they have
a back up to cover if they are absent.
I am about to start my 5th season at Wedgewood Country Club in
Powell, Ohio. This year will be my 4th at Safari Golf Course at
the Columbus Zoo, Powell, Ohio. I went to the zoo 4 years ago to
ask them to plug up or take down nestboxes at their North American
Exhibit. They were house sparrow machines and presented the wrong
Message to the public. They listened and appreciated the help.
They asked me to help them at the zoo golf course with boxes that
needed to be replaced. My perseverence paid off when I wrote a
$4000.00 grant under their Columbus Zoo Conservation Fund and
redid their whole course. Much more was done with the money from
the grant in the north west area of Columbus. I did this
particular project with the help of a local high school Boy Scout,
Andy Betts, who needed an Eagle project. He and his parents are
still talking about what they learned along the way. Andy gave me
a wonderful photo journal of the project.
Let me know what questions you might have about golf course
trail work. If I don't have an answer I'll see what I can find
out. Because of the work I've done on golf courses and other
'grassland spaces', I have been asked tospeak at the Ohio Division
of Wildlife's, Wildlife Diversity conference this March. I have
had success placing boxes at cemetaries, schools, police stations,
parks and business 'lawns'. Not to mention neighborhood homes and
farms and general green spaces. I've also addressed the local Golf
Course Supervisors at 2 large meetings.
In case you are wondering, I have not had a fatality due to
chemicals used on the courses. Believe me, the supervisors are
trying to make sure their own kind is protected as well as the
'avian guests' on the courses. The 2 times I have had chemical
fatalities it has been at parks along farmers fields during spring
spraying. I also had some problems one summer from a mosquito
spraying expedition in a neighborhood where Tree Swallows were
nesting.
Hope this helps and will await questions. I am on the digest
form and sometimes need a day or 2 to get a posting turned around.
Azure trails...
Darlene Sillick
Columbus, Ohio
Cornell Ambazzzdor, Birdhouse Network
North American Bluebird Society, Education Chair
Ohio Bluebird Society, county coordinator
Ohio Wildlife Center, education presenter, board member
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 05:46:18 -0600
From: "James P. Walters" james-walters"at"uiowa.edu
To: BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re: golf courses...
I missed Wendy's original question about golf course trails,
but I'll second a couple of ideas from Darlene Sillick's post.
...
I work on the University of Iowa's Finkbine golf course and
have maintained a bluebird/chickadee trail of a dozen houses there
for the past eight years. I could probably increase the density of
the housing since we have well over three hundred acres, but I
want to keep the trail fairly unobstrusive visually. I use
Gilbertson houses on conduit mounts, so I can easily move them -
either to accomodate golf course or bird needs. Our usual fledge
numbers are around 30-50 bluebirds and 12-20 chickadees.
...
I had one significant dieback in all the nestboxes in 1995. I
didn't send in any of the dead for a chemical analysis (primarily
because I didn't catch it until a few days after it happened and
serious decomposition had taken place), but the dieback did not
coincide with any significant chemical application we had done.
Subsequently, I saw an article by Louise Chambers in the Purple
Martin Update on martin deaths that summer due to avian botulism
and aspergillosis, that made me suspect these as the possible
culprits. But I still don't really know.
I would caution anyone considering a golf course trail to
locate houses well-away from tees and greens. These are always the
places of the heaviest chemical applications (although lots of
courses use plenty of chemicals on fairways, too). And I guess
that I would disagree with Darlene's benigncharacterization of
most golf course managers. My own characterization would be that
they are under desperate pressure (the industry is very
competitive) to produce "good grass" and they will try to do that
by whatever means necessary. Thus they fall under very heavy sales
pressure from the chemical interests, although over the last
decade there has been a countervailing pressure from forces
concerned about the environment.
Jim Walters james-walters"at"uiowa.edu
Johnson County Songbird Project
1033 E. Washington
Iowa City, IA 52240-5248 (319) 466-1134
U.S.A.
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 00:11:03 -0800
From: "W.Guglieri" wendyg"at"jps.net
To: BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: golf courses, Q & A, and thanks
Greetings all from cloudy Rescue, California.
THANK YOU! to all for your many responses to my questions
regarding setting up a BB trail on a golf course. Still sorting
through all the information, but just wanted to keep you all
posted. Dean, you are absolutely right about the wealth of
knowledge, and the wonderful willingness to share by folks on this
ListServ. I've begun a new section in my binder entitled "golf
courses" and have included several of the valuable posts that I've
received.
First and foremost - I am well aware of the potential problems
with HOSPs. While I have never personally dealt with them in my 3
nestboxes on my property, I will have no real problems dealing
with them when the situation arises. I will be monitoring the
course weekly, and will hopefully be able to get rid of nest
and/or eggs before any HOSP nestlings find their way into my
boxes. But, if need be, I will "take care of the situation" (for
any of you who saw the movie "The Shining", you'll know what
"taking care" means). I don't relish the thought of destroying any
living thing, but will certainly do so if need be.
I also like Darlene Sillick's suggestion of enlisting the help
of some of the locals and golf course personnel. These folks are
just so NICE. Which brings up another point that James Walters
mentioned - that of dealing with the management at the course
itself. I am so lucky that the new manager at this course is so
very willing to have me "do whatever I want" with regards to
setting up a trail. His wife is an avid birder, and they are both
quite excited about playing their part in helping to increase the
numbers of bluebirds in their area. Again, I must mention that
this is a VERY casual course; members are mostly local homeowners
who were required to keep this particular greenspace, and did so
by turning it into a golf course. The Saturday that Sandra and I
were there, we were warned to "be careful" because they were
having a Tournament that day and were very busy. I'll bet that we
saw less than 35 people on the entire course. If this is busy,
going during the week should be great!
Concerning the use the chemicals: I guess I just don't worry
about it. I realize that this MIGHT be a problem, but Hatch has
banded several WEBLs there, as well as other cavity nesters, and
it seems not to make a difference. If chemicals were of a major
concern, it seems that there wouldn't be so many successful trails
on courses. (or successes in suburban back yards, for that
matter). There are many oaks and other trees on this course to
provide shade and use for mounting boxes, so I can easily stay
away from the greens.
Again, my hearty thanks to all of you with knowledge to share
and the willingness to do so. And as far as more questions from me
- you can count on it! At this point I fear that I don't know
enough to ask more questions. However, as I learn more, you'll be
hearing from me! And keep those responses coming - I'm learning
more by the hour!
Happy birding...
Wendy Guglieri
Rescue, California
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 16:21:56 -0500
From: The Carriers eemmuu"at"att.net
To: bluebird bluebird bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Golf stuff..
Hi all! Nice day here in southern New England, with the first
day above freezing in weeks! Also, I heared a BB calling from a
tree across from my house; he seemed very cheerfull!
Thanks for sending one up for me Gary!
I would also like to second Haleya's request to keep the Golf
Course info comming!
I have been monitoring my BB trail here in Harwinton CT for
over 12 years now, and the boxes have grown to 200. In our town
however, we never had a golf corse, but this spring that will
change.
A 18 hole golf corse is at this time being built over a farmers
land after he sold it to them for over 1 million dollars. You
can't blame the farmers, for its a bit more income than selling
apples and corn! It also allowed him to buy a house in FL for the
winter, and I can see that. Originaly, 40 expensive houses were to
be built there, but I guess a golf coarse is better than that, esp
for our BBs.
Anyway, I will be asking to install boxes there this spring,
and can also use any info I need to do so.......I am a bit pissed
though with them, for as they graded for the course, they also
destroyed many of my boxes I had up when it was a working farm.
Two were blowed down with baby BBs in them! I guess if I want
permission though, I better overlook this past situation.
Hope to hear more on Golf corses...paul from Ct
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 16:36:11 EST
From: Warbler5"at"aol.com
To: wendyg"at"jps.net, bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: RE: golf courses
Hi Wendy,
I have experience with two different golf courses....only a few
miles away from one another! The newer course is the one where I
monitor, and I have never even seen a house sparrow there. I think
I told you about it when we talked on the phone....most of the
nestboxes are used, and mostly by WEBL. The other golf course was
set up with 9 nestboxes to start....it was house sparrow city!!!!!
The poor monitor kicked house sparrows out of one nestbox EVERY
WEEK, and it almost always had eggs. The only native species that
even nested were one WEBL and one WBNU...the WEBL nest failed
(reason unknown...but, blue feathers were found on the ground),
and the WBNU fledged 7 or 8. The monitor injured her hand just
prior to the 1999 season, and didn't monitor....I couldn't do it
for her, and asked that she contact our county coordinator (who
helped her put up the boxes) to have the nestboxes removed. I am
not sure what happened with that trail last year....I hope the
nestboxes were removed. Below are some of the problems
encountered:
Since her nestboxes were located along fairways, this monitor
had a problem with sprinklers hitting the nestboxes, so some had
to be relocated to a different side of the tree. I had pointed all
of my nestbox entrances away from the fairways, so I never
encountered this.
I had a couple of irate golfers take out their lack of ability
on my nestboxes! I would recommend that you put up your nestboxes
up in places that are nowhere near the places where the golfers
tee off. In fact, most of mine are hidden in areas that are
considered to be part of the "rough."
The golf course maintenance never knowingly (to me) caused
death due to poisons to my birds, but I did find ground squirrel
poison grain stations set up beneath my nestboxes once. Luckily,
my nestbox birds feed entirely upon insects during this time of
year....but I still worried about one of them entering the PVC for
inspection.
I would recommend you carry pictures to educate any interested
golfers! It may be a good chance to educate a segment of the
population we don't normally have much contact with. You could
take the Stokes book and maybe some California Bluebird Recovery
Program brochures ;o) .
I know you will have a great time...watch out for flying golf
balls!!!
Dee Warenycia (warbler5"at"aol.com)
Roseville, CA
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 15:14:16 -0800
From: Linda Violett lviolett"at"earthlink.net
To: "Bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu" Bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Golf course/HOSP
Linda Violett — Yorba Linda, Calif.
That HOSP trail with the sprinkler problems would be a great
place to try 2-holed hanging boxes. Others trying out the
experimental 2-holers this year should be reporting to the List
within a couple a months. Barry Whitney is thinking about building
some for a park in his area and has graciously provided
construction tips at the following site:
http://www.crosswinds.net/~barryw/bluebird/links.htm
...
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 19:52:24 -0500
From: "Brenda and/or John Best" jabbest"at"dreamscape.com
To: "BLUEBIRD-L" BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Golf Courses
Message-ID: 02ca01bf703c$75301fa0$f8fc04d1"at"dreamscape.com
Wendy,
I have a few boxes in a mowed field adjacent to a small
privately-owned golf course. Two things to be aware of. Mowing the
golf course is extremely important, and I would be leery of
placing the posts where they may be hit by the mower. Second (and
this happened to me while banding!), watch out for golfers who
come over and yell, "What did you just take out of there?!" They
knew there were bluebirds in there and they were being protective!
:-)
Brenda
--
Brenda Best
Durhamville, NY
jabbest"at"dreamscape.com
The Nature Club of Central New York
http://natureclubofcny.8m.com/
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 08:59:54 EST
From: WAGould"at"aol.com
To: BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Bluebirds on the Golf Course
Message-ID: 75.1631fd9.25ced85a"at"aol.com
I have enjoyed reading all the posts about bluebirders
interaction with golf courses. Very informative. Perhaps it is
time to concentrate on a brochure to be printed and placed at the
Golf Club or store. Does NABS already have a publication of some
sort that members could receive and distribute? Wherever there is
a Bluebird trail, there should also be a stack of brochures made
available so that the golfers will know what those "bird houses"
are for.
I suggest that the brochure be made to include Eastern, Western
and Mountain bluebirds, a sort-of one size-fits-all approach. I am
sure that if the owners of the golf course let you install a
bluebird nestbox trail, then surely they would also like to have
your brochure, as well. With all the computers being used here on
the list, I know someone has a great program to design a very
low-cost and informative brochure about Bluebird Conservation on
the Golf Course in the United States of America. Not to mention,
now NABS has a sign that can be mounted on boxes regarding the
Trans Continental Bluebird Trail program which will be launched
later this spring.
I am not a golfer.
BNA
Bluebirds in Nashville Again!
Bill Gould
Nashville Tennessee
(615) 726-2743
(615) 726-8545 - fax
Eastern Bluebird Recovery Society of Middle Tennessee
USDA Zone 6B
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 12:13:32 -0500
From: jim frisbie frisbie"at"ix.netcom.com
To: WAGould"at"aol.com
Cc: BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Bluebirds on the Golf Course
HELLO ALL:
I HAVE EIGHT B.B. HOUSES ON OUR LOCAL GOLF COURSE,CHECKING EACH
TIME I PLAY.IN EACH OF THE LAST FIVE YEARS HAVE FLEEDED 4/6BROODS
A YEAR
I HAVE NOT HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH CHEMICALS& WOULD HIGHLY
RECOMMEND THIS AREA FOR B.B.N.B.
THE ONLY PROBLEM I AM HAVING ARE SPARROWS TAKING OVER BOXS NEAR
THE CLUB HOUSE.WOULD ANYONE HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS? (WHAT ABOUT
CHANGING TO GILBERTSON TYPE)
THANKS FOR LISTING
JIM FRISBIE
WESTFIELD ,MASS.
...
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 10:17:34 -0800
From: "dputman" dputman"at"syix.com
To: "bluebird" Bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Golf courses
Kevin Putman, Yuba City, CA
I'll add a couple of things about golf courses. I'll preface by
saying that predators are not a big concern on the courses where I
have boxes, so I am able to hang boxes on trees.
Golf courses often have newsletters that go out to members; if
you send in a brief description of what you are doing they may
forward the info to members via the newsletter, or they may simply
post your letter on the clubhouse bulletin board.
The threat from chemicals does seem to be minimal--at least at
the 3 courses where I have put boxes. In box placement, I take 3
things into account:
a) where are the sprinklers located? I've had success putting
boxes on the back side of trees, opposite the sprinklers, or far
enough away so that the water comes down as rain (but boxes should
be water-resistant). The nest failures I've had were the result of
sprinklers that sprayed directly into the vents / entrance hole
with great force. Sometimes it is difficult to locate sprinklers,
especially in winter, but the course superintendent may be of some
assistance here. If not beforehand, you might ask the
superintendent to let you know if he sees that you have put a box
in a bad location--sometimes portable sprinklers are used.
b) always consider the play of the course, the direction that
the golf balls are going. I don't avoid Tees and Greens
altogether. Just don't put boxes close and down-range of the tees
where golf balls are flying with the speed of bullets. If
down-range from tees, keep them 100 yards or so away, and on
backside of trees or behind a group of trees where there isn't a
direct line of fire. You can put boxes behind the tees, but I
usually try to put them out of sight, where they can't be readily
seen by golfers who are loitering around, waiting to tee off
(maybe thisis a mistake as far as promoting bluebirds; it depends
on the clientele at the course in question. You may want to put a
box or two in plain sight to promote interest in the project).
Down fairways, again, I always put boxes on the backside of trees,
opposite the direction of play. The backside of a green may appear
to be a great location, but consider that golfers often overshoot
the green and then have to chip back through trees, etc., so avoid
trees that are right at the back edge of the greens.
c) the last thing to consider is heat: if it gets hot where you
are the boxes will need to be shaded from noon on, at least. This
may dictate that boxes be placed on East side of trees, high
enough so that the tree's limbs will always shade the box, even
late in the afternoon.
Juggling these three factors at once, sprinklers, direction of
play, and sun, can make it rather challenging to find a spot that
satisfies all three requirements at once. I've found that my boxes
have all come to meet these requirements sooner or later--if not
at the outset, then later, after trial and error. Dick Purvis
could tell you that, with his hanging boxes, all of these factors
can easily be conquered at once, and this would put a lot more
flexibility into the box-hanging process, location-wise.
As for monitoring, ask when / what days/times are best , which
days/times have the least golf traffic. It can take a LONG time to
monitor boxes if you constantly have to wait for golfers to take
shots, etc., and wait you must. It's just easier for everyone--
you and the golfers-- if you take this into account. Sometimes,
the superintendent has offered me a cart, but I've never asked for
one. I just ask if I can take my bicycle across the course, this
is usually followed by"okay" or "how about if I get you a cart
instead". Of course, I'm always hoping for the latter.
KP
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 21:02:27 EST
From: RWil2654"at"aol.com
To: BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Bluebird sightings
Bob Wilson
2654 Sperber Lane
Grand Junction, CO 81506
(970) 242-5190
39* 06.21N
108*33.61 W
4,635 elevation
http://www.crosswinds.net/~bluebirdbob/
http://www.dnr.state.co.us/wildlife/volunteer/bluebirdproject.htm
You are probably sick of this but I did see all three species
as I was adding 7 new boxes to the Tiara Rado trail today. The
MOBL are so bright they hurt your eyes.The location of Grand
Junction in on I 70 at the Colorado and Gunnison River about 24
miles inside Colorado from the Utah border. I got so excited at
the number of birds on the outside of the golf course that I am
trying to build about 25 by Tuesday as they are ready to start
nesting.
Bob
By the way if you ever come this way I will drop everything and
show you this unusual site
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 02:20:34 -0800
From: "W.Guglieri" wendyg"at"jps.net
To: BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: golf course trail set up...
Greetings all from Wendy Guglieri in the beautiful Sierra
Nevada foothills. I met with Hatch and Judy Graham today at the
Camino Heights Golf Course and we spent the morning putting up new
nest boxes for my trail. All in all, we decided on 14 boxes. The
course is only 9 holes, so not immense, but quite lovely. Hatch
saw a WEBL when he first arrived, sitting on a fence pole watching
him mount the first of the boxes (potential taker?). At any rate,
I'm ready when they are! The new owner/manager was so helpful and
friendly; I really feel lucky to have his complete support. There
are also a few nestboxes in private back yards adjoining the
course, and at least some of these are "real" boxes (Peterson
style, mostly), not just ornamental. So will contact those folks
and see if they'll let me monitor their boxes, too. (or better
yet, if THEY will).
Have read with earnest all responses and suggestions sent to me
by many of you a couple of weeks ago. Thanks much for your input.
I'll let you know how it goes.
Wendy Guglieri
Rescue, California (40 mi. East of Sacramento)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:09:21 EDT
From: JaneHopeC"at"aol.com
To: Bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Report on new "trail" at golf course - long - advice
needed
Hi all,
I have begun monitoring 14 boxes that were already in existence
at a local golf course. The supervisor, a nice, but busy, guy put
them up two years ago but had never checked them. I had my first
visit there 12 days ago and he showed me around and we cleaned
lots of old nests out of the boxes. All the boxes are good NABS
style and on 1" conduit about six feet high. We discussed moving
some. He wanted to get that done, number the boxes and make a map
for me and show me how to use a golf cart to get around. I didn't
hear from him for over a week so called him on Friday. He hadn't
got around to doing any of it but I suggested we check the boxes
again soon anyway. So I went up again today, now have a map and
know how to drive a golf cart. Not difficult. He is happy for me
to now go up on my own about twice a week. Here is what I found. I
would welcome advice from anyone who manages a trail that they
visit about twice a week and/or is on a golf course. So far Haleya
has been my "mentor" but I don't think she should have to answer
all my questions! She's been great!
There are (or will be when movements are complete) 7 pair of
boxes. Each pair is very far from every other pair. Most are
facing open golf lawns. Saw at least two pair of EABL and many
TRES. SAW no HOSP but....
#1 and #2, 1 beautiful EABL nest entirely of White Pine
needles. 1 started nest of grasses, no junk or feathers as yet. ?
TRES
#3 and #4 These are in an area of tall rough grasses. 1 started
HOSP nest (grasses, lots of feathers) 1 box with, oh horror, a
dead male EABL. This is the first I have seen. It was so
upsetting. Definitely HOSP. There was no nest to speak of in the
box.
#5 and #6 1 box not up yet. It is one to be moved as it had had
a HOWR nest and I suggested it be moved more in the open. 1
beautiful EABL nest of pine again.
#7 and #8 1 box not up yet. Same as above. 1 beautiful EABL
nest as above.
#9 and #10 1 empty box. 1 beautiful EABL as above.
#11 and #12 1 box not up yet as above. 1 occupied mouse nest.
(He said he would get this cleaned out, hadn't wanted to let me do
it on first visit but hasn't done it yet)
#15 and #16 (behind the supervisor's house and he doesn't want
#13 there. Superstitious.) 1 box not up yet. Removed from
elsewhere. 1 box with started nest of grasses and feathers,
suspect HOSP. No eggs yet of any kind.
Here is what I plan to do. My next visit will be Friday. I will
now be able to go around on my own. I will take two traps with me
and set them in boxes #3 and #4 (where there is definite HOSP) and
check them when I return. I was cautious about telling the guy
what I would need to do but once he saw the dead bird it was a
good opportunity and he seemed O.K. about it. Once we have dealt
with this HOSP I am not sure whether those boxes should be moved
since it seemed an area the HOSP favored. Or should I leave them
there to reduce the chances of any other HOSP going to the other
boxes? I also will keep a very close eye on the two behind the
supervisor's house as I think they may attract HOSP, and any other
suspected HOSP nests.
Am I on target? Is going up two days a week going to be enough?
Mon and Fri probably. The guy says these are good days and they
are good for me too. If I can fit it in and he is amenable I will
try to go up more often. Any helpful suggestions welcome. I really
want to get this trail going well and if I don't do it they will
just be neglected again. In future posts I will call it Rock
Rimmon. That is the name of the course.
To any who got through all this and can spare the time to
reply, many thanks in advance.
Jane
Pound Ridge NY
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:54:43 -0500
From: "R_C Walshaw" walshaw"at"gte.net
To: "Bluebird Listserve" BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Jane - Golf Course Trail
A great selling point for all of us who can monitor houses on
golf courses is to use the fairly new concept of hanging boxes.
The golf course people love the idea of not having to mow around
poles and there is less interference with the golfers. PS - Jane -
trap and get rid of those house sparrows! (Bluebird Bob - for
cavity nesters).
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 23:16:43 -0700
From: "dputman" dputman"at"syix.com
To: "bluebird" Bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: bluebird publicity
Kevin Putman, Yuba City, CA
Marion: I didn't see the Masters nor the bluebird you
mentioned. Did they say anything about what kind of bird it was,
or was it just an image while the credits were rolling?
I wonder if there are nestboxes at that course in Augusta. Does
anyone know? I mentioned before that I think it would be a real
big gain if one or some of us could get trails on some of the
prestigious golf courses. Any subsequent publicity would be a big
positive. It would be best if the boxes were conspicuous, at least
in a couple of locations--like near the 18th hole! However, the
crowds could pose a problem for an active nest. Maybe it would
have to be hanging boxes.
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:30:40 EDT
From: JaneHopeC"at"aol.com
To: Bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Report on new "trail" at golf course - long - advice
needed
Many, many thanks to all who offered suggestions and good luck
to me at the golf course. Sounds like from what you say
monitoring twice(or even once) a week will be fine, but I may try
to go up a little more often at first because several things
arose out of your answers. One, not being used to golf courses I
was not on the look out for sprinklers or where balls might hit
boxes (though I think the supervisor placed them pretty well with
these things in mind). Also, it may be that I jumped to an
erroneous conclusion about the dead male EABL and the possible
start of a HOSP nest in boxes #3 and #4 respectively. The nest
did not fill the box but was a jumble of grasses and feathers so I
will have to see on my next visit how it has developed. The dead
bird was, I now relalise not a classic HOSP killing and may have
been something else. I didn't see any HOSP around so I think I
will have to keep an eye on things before I decide what to do.
You were all so helpful and kind to read my long post and
reply. I will keep you posted about it - but more briefly in
future!
Jane,
Pound Ridge, NY
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:17:35 -0700
From: "W.Guglieri" wendyg"at"jps.net
To: BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: New golf course trail check...
A report on my new golf course trail:
The trail is located at app. 2500 ft. elevation in the Western
foothills of the Sierra Nevada mountains. I have 15 boxes, 14
NABS, 1 Peterson. Today's check produced the following results:
5 completed WEstern BLuebird nests
2 partially completed WEBL nests
Out of the 5 completed nests, one was made completely out of
pine needles, and another the bottom third pine needles, top 2/3
dried grasses. All other dried grasses. Had to remove the bottom
parts of 2 nests to lower them - they were literally sticking out
the holes!
Have had only one problem since placing the boxes a few weeks
ago. Last week found a nestbox that I'd inadvertently placed in
the way of a major sprinkler - it had a few straws in it but was
soaked. Relocated it under a nearby tree, and today a completed
nest there! All else going well, and as yet - NO HOSPS!!!
No eggs yet - but the timing is normal for this area.
Wendy Guglieri
Rescue, California
wendyg"at"jps.net
Date: 29 Apr 2000 04:02:04 -0000
From: "Stan Merrill, St. Paul, MN" stan_bb"at"Messagez.com
To: BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Boxes "high" on golf courses???
Hello Everybirdie!
Just a comment on "putting bluebird boxes UP HIGH on golf
courses": When I visited my sister and brother-in-law in Hot
Springs Village, Arkansas, and I accompanied her on April 5, to
monitor the 14-box trail on the "back 9" of a local golf course,
the boxes were mounted on pipes, with squirrel baffles, at
eye-level. The boxes had front openings and were closed with a
Phillips screw, thus to discourage "curiosity" lookers.
Apparently the eye-level mountings had not posed any problems
for the Hot Springs Village Chapter of the Audubon Society. In the
14 boxes were 33 hatchlings, ranging from two days to nearly
feathered, with 26 eggs yet to hatch; and FOUR of the females did
remain on the nest, even while I snapped some pictures with a
"single-use" camera. Happy bluebirding! Stan, St. Paul, MN
******************
Where they are put up on golf courses or other public areas they
need to be put up high.
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 06:15:28 PDT
From: "dean sheldon" dsheldonjr"at"hotmail.com
To: BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Cc: seedbed"at"accnorwalk.com
Subject: ATTENTION NO. CENTRAL OHIO BLUEBIRDERS
A brand new 18 hole golf course...Deer Ridge Golf Club...has
been opened in the BELLVILLE AREA in the vicinity of SR97 and I71.
The operators of the course are interested in having a bluebird
trail established on the course in prime EABL habitat. They are
looking for an experienced trail manager who might be intersted in
developing and maintaining a bluebird trail at this location. It
is an excellent opportunity for anyone interested in expanding
his/her own trail operations. Further information can be obtained
from Gil Trail in Mansfield at 419/522.6432 or, directly, from
Jeff Pratt, Assistant Greenskeeper at Deer Ridge...419/886.7090
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 02:32:02 PDT
From: "dean sheldon" dsheldonjr"at"hotmail.com
To: BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Fwd: no subject
From: "Darlene Sillick" azuretrails"at"columbus.rr.com
To: jgarriott"at"express-news.net
CC: Dean Sheldon dsheldonjr"at"hotmail.com
Subject: no subject
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 23:44:04 -0400
Hi Jim, (Dean forward this to the 'L' if you would like),
Let me introduce myself. I'm Darlene Sillick, Franklin County
Coord. with
Ohio Bluebird Society and North Am. Bluebird Society, Ed Chair, I
been
active working with cavity nesters for 12 years. I have also been
active
with working with golf courses for 7 years. I speak to golf course
supervisiors at meetings and have them call me about helping them
to get
things set up at their courses. I am also a bird bander and
volunteer at a
rehab center in Columbus Ohio. I mention all these things because
with my
7
years of working to establish nestbox trails on golf courses and
many
country clubs I have not had any mortality due to chemicals. I
have even
fostered young to boxes and had 2 universities do research, DNA
and
bacteria
research, on about 3 or 4 courses.
I've never heard any reference to dead zones. I try to be careful
to place
boxes in the non play areas and hopefully out of the way of most
stray
balls. I have been the main person monitor at 5 of these courses
with
banding many nestlings so I see fledge results myself. The boxes
are not
placed near tees or greens and not too close to fairways. I even
have
purple martins nesting at one of the courses. I have had eastern
bluebirds,
tree swallows, carolina chickadees, tufted titmice, house wrens
all fledge
from golf courses. I am pleased with results and highly suggest
working
with golf courses to do such projects.
The only danger I've seen has been in city parks along farm fields
where I
had dead nestlings and deformed birds. I also had some mosquito
spraying
in
a city park subdivision and had tree swallows die in boxes near
fledging
time. I feel that times are now different at golf courses and
their
approach to using or abusing chemicals. I just set up a new trail
at
Tartan Fields Country Club in Dublin Ohio 2 weeks ago. They will
finish
setting up the boxes this week. The manager will monitor the
boxes. I met
with the course designer tonight and he is delighted to have the
course
involved with this project.
Please feel free to email me if you have or need any more
information. You
might look around at a course or business complex near you to set
up a
trail. I have been doing corporate trail work and find it to be a
win-win
situation for the birds and people learning about them. I just
laid out a
trail of 24 boxes at a very large corporate bank complex in north
Columbus
Ohio last week with an Eagle Scout. It is Bank One of Columbus.
The week
before I laid out a trail for another huge complex at Cardinal
Health in
Dublin Ohio. At each of these sites I am providing the boxes from
Ohio
Bluebird Society and the sites are providing the poles, baffles
and
monitors. Win-win. And at least one site a Boy Scout gets his
Eagle
Award.
Good luck with spreading the word of bluebirding across your area.
With
suburbia all around me I've had to get creative. And I feel all
parties
have been successful.
Azure trails...
Darlene Sillick
Dublin, Ohio
From: jgarriott"at"express-news.net
To: dsheldonjr"at"hotmail.com
Subject: Re: ATTENTION NO. CENTRAL OHIO BLUEBIRDERS
Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 09:42:35 -0500
Golf courses are very ecologically imbalanced and often dead
zones due to the heavy pesticide and chemical use necessary to
maintain this artificial environment (short ever green grass). I
would
think this to be a poor and dangerous location to attract nesting
bluebirds to. Not to discourage the managers from this honorable
goal, but they should be aware of the implications.
Jim Garriott
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 02:44:32 PDT
From: "dean sheldon" dsheldonjr"at"hotmail.com
To: BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: DARLENE SILLICK ON GOLF COURSES
My "FWD:no subject" post is from DARLENE SILLICK. It,
masterfully, responds to several questions raised here yesterday
about the suitability of golf
course habitat for bluebird trail development. It is RECOMMENDED
READING for all....Dean
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 22:57:56 -0700
From: "dputman" dputman"at"syix.com
To: "bluebird" Bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Golf course food sources
Kevin Putman, Yuba City, CA I'd bet that Katherine is right
about the golf courses--that the mowed lawn makes it easier for
bluebirds to find food. Insects are probably easier to spot on the
carpet-like lawns. In the agricultural areas, the insects could be
hiding behind clods or tall weeds, and brown ground provides a
camoflaged backdrop as opposed to a green lawn of uniform height.
Although earthworms may not be the best food (when compared to
caterpillars or other insects), they might do just fine in large
quantities. Rain drives worms to the surface of lawns, so golf
courses then would provide easy picking for the bluebirds.
In the orchards, the bluebirds seem to do most of their hunting
in the tree canopy. A favorite prey is caterpillars. One
exception: some orchards flood-irrigate, and this drives insects
to high ground. Bluebirds cash in on this; they go after the bugs
when they crawl up on high ground at base of trees. But again,
these food sources are radically reduced in times of bad weather.
The caterpillar activity slows, and there isn't even any need to
irrigate if it is raining.
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:46:43 EDT
From: JaneHopeC"at"aol.com
To: Bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Rock Rimmon golf course report
Hi all,
Despite the problems (mostly caused by House Wrens and
reluctance of the manager to move boxes) I have had in taking over
this trail (as posted
yesterday) I am happy to report that as well as the 14 Eastern
Bluebirds (EABL) and 8 Black Capped Chickadee (BCCH) that already
fledged there are as of yesterday:
12 EABL nestlings about one week old
6 Tree Swallows fledged
1 BCCH hatchling (just hatched - four more eggs to hatch)
4 EABL eggs due to hatch 7/6 ( and in a place where they are
very unlikely to get wrenned!)
Only one House Sparrow nest now. Two females trapped in this
nest. Haven't yet caught the male.
I have learned a lot and feel a real sense of achievement too
that there has been some real success. So taking over an old trail
may be difficult but it is rewarding!
Jane
Pound Ridge
NY
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:19:32
-0400
From: Tina Phillips
To: Bluebird-l"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Golf course Study
Hello fellow nest-box monitors,
The Cornell Lab of Ornithology's Birdhouse Network recently
submitted a pre-proposal for funding that would enable us to
conduct a long-term, nationwide study of the impact (if any) that
golf courses have on the breeding success of cavity-nesting birds.
If we receive the funding, we will collect data on pesticide use
on golf courses, evaluate which courses are having better breeding
success than others and why, then create management plans for less
successful golf courses to administer throughout the country.
We are looking for avid and experienced nest-box monitors to help
in the set up and data collection of this study. If you are
interested, please read on.
1) Are you currently monitoring any nest boxes located on golf
courses?
2) Do you know of any golf courses in your area that currently
have nest boxes on the grounds?
3) Would you be willing to erect nest boxes (this could be as many
as 20 or 30) on a nearby golf course?
If you answered yes, to any of the previous questions AND would
like to be a part of this study, we want to hear from you. I would
like to emphasize, however, that we are still waiting to hear from
the funding source as to whether or not the project will get
funded. This could take several months. If approved, we will be
required to contact and coordinate setting up nest boxes on golf
courses nationwide. Having monitors in place now, will cut down on
the time it takes to coordinate this national effort later. We
hope to implement the study in spring of 2001.
Please respond to me directly at
and indicate which of the three questions you
answered yes to.
Thank you in advance for your interest,
Tina Phillips
Tina Phillips
The Birdhouse Network
Cornell Lab of Ornithology
159 Sapsucker Woods Rd.
Ithaca, NY 14850
(607) 254-2416
cbp6"at"cornell.edu
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 04:37:44 -0600
From: "Keith & Sandy Kridler" kridler"at"1starnet.com
Subject: Paul Harvey & bluebirds in the news
Keith Kridler 32*F Mt. Pleasant, Texas
Yesterday at noon Paul Harvey mentioned a golf course designer
that just completed an 18 hole golf course without cutting down a
single tree. It was designed around existing trees & natural water
courses AND upon completion of the course he added 400 Bluebird
nestboxes to the area. I was only half listening while driving as
the Bluebird boxes were mentioned last but this designer is
challenging Arnold Palmer and other designers of golf courses to
be more environmentally sound in their designs and more helpful to
wildlife. This designer needs to have a joint article done on
designs and bluebird conservation mixed together and then
submitted to the national golf magazines. There is a HUGE number
of very young golfers hitting the little white balls now and some
have to be reading the magazines their dads are subscribing to so
that they will have the next Tiger Woods.
If done right with a few pictures of children combining golf
and bird watching, nest box monitoring and record keeping we could
have an excellent chance at catching a whole generation of golfers
who will watch for bluebirds while they wait to play through a
hole. Did anyone catch this radio broadcast and get a name or know
who or where this might be? They will definitely need help next
year so that this does not go to waste through neglect or turn
into a House Sparrow factory. I have seen situations like this
where they used cheap commercial nestboxes that could not even be
opened for cleaning.....I hope this was well thought out. If
someone could do a search and get some information maybe someone
with NABS could find the local people to do an article and not let
this national coverage go to waste. KK
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 07:19:24 -0800
From: "judymellin" judymellin"at"netzero.net
Subject: Re: [Bluebird] Paul Harvey & bluebirds in the news
National Audubon has a VERY active golf course nestbox program
across the nation. Here in NE IL., we have an annual meeting of
bluebirders and golf course supervisors now outnumber the rest of
us. I would expect there is a link from their website about this.
Also, Tina Phillips sent out an e-mail earlier about an attempt
by Cornell to hook into the golf course programs. I responded
about our group and, later, although it did not get funded as they
had hoped, I believed she indicated that Cornell was going forward
with some type of program. Now we have to wait until January to
find out!
Judy Mellin
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith & Sandy Kridler kridler"at"1starnet.com
To: Bluebird bluebird"at"fsinc.com
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 2:37 AM
Subject: [Bluebird] Paul Harvey & bluebirds in the news
Keith Kridler 32*F Mt. Pleasant, Texas
Yesterday at noon Paul Harvey mentioned a golf course designer
that just
completed an 18 hole golf course without cutting down a single
tree. It was
designed around existing trees & natural water courses AND upon
completion
of the course he added 400 Bluebird nestboxes to the area. I was
only half
listening while driving as the Bluebird boxes were mentioned last
but this
designer is challenging Arnold Palmer and other designers of golf
courses to
be more environmentally sound in their designs and more helpful to
wildlife.
This designer needs to have a joint article done on designs and
bluebird
conservation mixed together and then submitted to the national
golf
magazines. There is a HUGE number of very young golfers hitting
the little
white balls now and some have to be reading the magazines their
dads are
subscribing to so that they will have the next Tiger Woods.
If done right with a few pictures of children combining golf and
bird
watching, nest box monitoring and record keeping we could have an
excellent
chance at catching a whole generation of golfers who will watch
for
bluebirds while they wait to play through a hole. Did anyone catch
this
radio broadcast and get a name or know who or where this might be?
They will
definitely need help next year so that this does not go to waste
through
neglect or turn into a House Sparrow factory. I have seen
situations like
this where they used cheap commercial nestboxes that could not
even be
opened for cleaning.....I hope this was well thought out. If
someone could
do a search and get some information maybe someone with NABS could
find the
local people to do an article and not let this national coverage
go to
waste. KK
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 08:48:18 -0600
From: Carolyn Hall cjhall"at"huntel.net
Subject: Re: [Bluebird] Paul Harvey & bluebirds in the news
Keith,
I heard it also but all I caught was that it is the Chicago
area. I have not looked on the net to see if it is in a Paul
Harvey web page. Carolyn Hall, Bassett, NE 1 degree and sunny
after about 1 1/2 inches of new snow. Really pretty. I finished
critter sitting south of Long Pine on Pine Creek. Had oodles and
gobs (probably 3000 or better) of American Robins in the red cedar
trees. Did not see any Eastern Bluebirds but I'll bet they are in
those cedars somewhere.
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 08:52:44 -0700
From: "Robert Wilson" bluebirdbob1"at"home.com
To: "Bluebird List" BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu, "Dusty Bleher"
dusty"at"fsinc.com
Subject: Re: [Bluebird] (No Subject)
Ok for all those back among the living here is some good
information about Audubon Golf Courses. This is not the National
Audubon Society but this Audubon certifies golf courses as being
wild life habitats. This is great news for everyone. Out local
course Tiara Rado (RED EARTH) here in Grand Junction Colorado just
received certification. You may recall this is the home of all
three species of bluebirds.
http://www.usga.org/green/download/green_section_programs/a_new_attitude.html
Bob Wilson
(970) 242-5190
39* 06.21N 108*33.61 W
Grand Junction CO
THE HOME OF ALL THREE BLUEBIRD SPECIES
...
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 09:13:55 EST
From: Phl806"at"cs.com
To: BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Golf Course bluebirding
does anyone remember seeing a plan for boxes on a golf course?
specifically, i need to do a presentation to a general manager to
convince him to make his course bluebird friendly, to allow me
(and others) to put up a trail on at least part of the course. i
hope to have cooperation in this in use of a cart, etc., and i
thought rather than my writing it all up, i think i remember
seeing something like this before. help anyone?
Phil Berry
Gulf Breeze Florida
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:37:09 -0500
From: DottyRogers"at"netscape.net
To: BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: golf course, etc.
Eric,
Further thoughts. Our cemeteries are filling up, and where we
had boxes (with carefully attained permission) in "unused areas"
last year, suddenly there are new graves there now. Turned out
that our paired tree swallows took umbrage to the folks visiting
these sites and divebombed them. This was not well received by
cemetery management of folks. This is why we opened the leach
field sites; we wouldn't be bothering anyone.
--We have alot of tree swallows.
Good luck.
Dot; eastern Mass.
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 00:01:39 -0500
From: "Pauline Tom" bluebirds"at"austin.rr.com
To: "BLUEBIRD-L" BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Boxes on Golf Courses - Fertilizers, Pesticides &
Insecticides
Pauline Tom
Mountain City (no mountains) TX
15 miles south of Austin
At what point does a golf course have a small enough amount of
chemicals on the course for it to be a safe place for nest boxes?
I read about nest boxes on golf courses and I also read about
the danger of placing nest boxes in areas where chemicals are
applied (because birds eat
the poisoned insects).
For those of you who have placed boxes on golf courses, what's
the process on determining if it's a safe spot?
Thanks!
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 03:55:08 -0500
From: "Bruce Johnson" bjohnso3"at"midsouth.rr.com
To: bluebirds"at"austin.rr.com, "BLUEBIRD-L" BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Boxes on Golf Courses - Fertilizers, Pesticides &
Insecticides
Snip
At what point does a golf course have a small enough amount of
chemicals on
the course for it to be a safe place for nest boxes?
Snip
Pauline -
A very good question, I would imagine that it varies according
to the area and the problems the course faces in getting or
keeping the grounds in shape. Whoever is in charge of the
operation will also be a big factor in how much and what kind of
chemicals, or heaven forbid pesticides are used.
The manager of the Southwind course here in Germantown where
the have the FedEx, St. Jude tourament each year is a friend of
mine and he assures me that they use much less chemicals than the
average homeowner on their course.
A personal visit or phone call to the grounds keeper might
accomplish much for you and all concerned, especially the
bluebirds and other wildlife that are involved.
Best regards,
Bruce Johnson ~ Life Mbr. NABS
2795 Long Oak Drive
Germantown (extreme southwestern) TN
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 08:41:07 -0400
From: Haleya Priest mablue"at"gis.net
To: bjohnso3"at"midsouth.rr.com
Cc: bluebirds"at"austin.rr.com, BLUEBIRD-L BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Boxes on Golf Courses - Fertilizers, Pesticides &
Insecticides
Haleya Priest Amherst MA
Here is a quote from a recent package I received for a golf
course/chemical affects of nesting birds pilot study being
initiated by
Cornell Lab Of Ornithology:
Written by Tina Phillips, this is taken from a letter geared to
the Golf Course Superintendent:
"The Bird House Network (TBN) is often asked whether or not
golf courses provide suitable habitat for cavity-nesting birds,
and without supporting data, we can't answer that question. We
have an extensive amount of anecdotal evidence suggesting that
golf courses provide excellent habitat for birds. We hope that
this study will provide the rigorous data showing that golf
courses can support healthy populations of birds and even be the
impetus to encourage more golf course superintendents to erect
nest boxes on their courses."
Darlene Silick should also answer your post, since I believe
she has extensive experience managing golf course trails. As far
as what I've learned from this list, there really isn't evidence
of harm to the birds - like Bruce says - home chemical
applications are far worse. One of my favorite sites on my trail
is on
the golf course. :-) H
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 07:34:29 -0700
From: "judymellin" judymellin"at"netzero.net
To: "BLUEBIRD-L" BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Boxes on Golf Courses - Fertilizers, Pesticides &
Insecticides
National Audubon has a golf course certification program for
those courses that agree to follow their guidelines on pesticide
use. I'm sure you will find information on this subject on their
website. I'm not really familiar with it since I don't have boxes
on golf courses but, at our annual Cook County bluebird meeting,
we have several course managers in attendance.
Judy Mellin
NE IL.
----- Original Message -----
From: Pauline Tom bluebirds"at"austin.rr.com
To: BLUEBIRD-L BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 10:01 PM
Subject: Boxes on Golf Courses - Fertilizers, Pesticides &
Insecticides
Pauline Tom
Mountain City (no mountains) TX
15 miles south of Austin
At what point does a golf course have a small enough amount of
chemicals on
the course for it to be a safe place for nest boxes?
I read about nest boxes on golf courses and I also read about the
danger of
placing nest boxes in areas where chemicals are applied (because
birds eat
the poisoned insects).
For those of you who have placed boxes on golf courses, what's the
process
on determining if it's a safe spot?
Thanks!
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 07:53:11 -0500
From: "Pauline Tom" bluebirds"at"austin.rr.com
To: "BLUEBIRD-L" BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: More specific question on golf course boxes
Pauline Tom
Mountain City (no mountains) TX
Has anyone experienced evidence of problems with nests boxes on
a golf course that does use pesticides?
When I approached a golf course owner recently, she considered
nest boxes. I suggested that she determine what chemical
applications are used before
installation. She wrote back "Our superintendent does spray with
pesticides and also plans to use the granular kind 2 x a year. So
maybe we had better
hold off on the boxes."
She and I would love to have boxes on the course - but she
gives the superintendent authority to choose applications. I'd
love to tell her no one has experienced problems - and that I was
overcautious in mentioning chemical applications.
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 08:54:00 -0400
From: "dean sheldon" dsheldonjr"at"hotmail.com
To: mablue"at"gis.net, bjohnso3"at"midsouth.rr.com
Cc: bluebirds"at"austin.rr.com, BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Boxes on Golf Courses - Fertilizers, Pesticides &
Insecticides
My experience with bluebird trails on golf courses has been
very positive. Most golf courses are interested in reducing the
use of all varieties of pesticides so as to limit chemical hazards
to employees, patrons and to the environment. In addition,
considerable economies can be achieved in golf course operations
by reducing pesticide applications. If I had to pick a single
location for the development of a new bluebird trail it would be
on a golf course...cemeteries would come in a close second. Dean
Sheldon, Huron County, Ohio
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 09:00:45 -0400
From: Tina Phillips cbp6"at"cornell.edu
To: bluebirds"at"austin.rr.com, "BLUEBIRD-L" BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Cc: Nestbox-l"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Boxes on Golf Courses - Fertilizers, Pesticides &
Insecticides
Hi Pauline,
Many nest box monitors will tell you that golf courses are a
perfectly safe place to put up nest boxes. That may be true, but
until we can compare the nesting success of birds nesting on golf
courses where chemicals are used, to the nesting success of birds
in areas where chemicals are not used, there is no scientific
proof to claim that golf courses provide suitable habitat for
birds. Localized studies conducted in isolated regions will not
all us to infer anything about the population at large.
A while back I invited anyone interested in this issue to help
The Birdhouse Network in a pilot study comparing nesting success
of birds on and off golf courses. Initially I got about 50
interested people, but once people found out what was involved the
number dwindled to about 10. I don't know if that will be enough
for any sort of data analysis but at the very least, we can use
the pilot study to improve the protocol for future use.
Unfortunately, it won't tell us if golf courses are safe for
birds, at least not yet. We will try again to fund this study for
next year and hopefully be able to provide nest boxes for
monitors. This year's study, however can not provide any
materials.
If anyone is currently monitoring boxes on golf courses (with
pesticides applied) and in other areas where pesticides are not
applied, it is not too late to help us to collect more data.
Please contact me if you are interested.
Sincerely,
Tina Phillips
Tina Phillips
The Birdhouse Network
Cornell Lab of Ornithology
159 Sapsucker Woods Rd.
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At 12:01 AM 5/9/01 -0500, Pauline Tom wrote:
Pauline Tom
Mountain City (no mountains) TX
15 miles south of Austin
At what point does a golf course have a small enough amount of
chemicals on
the course for it to be a safe place for nest boxes?
I read about nest boxes on golf courses and I also read about the
danger of
placing nest boxes in areas where chemicals are applied (because
birds eat
the poisoned insects).
For those of you who have placed boxes on golf courses, what's the
process
on determining if it's a safe spot?
Thanks!
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 11:18:14 -0400
From: Haleya Priest mablue"at"gis.net
To: dsheldonjr"at"hotmail.com
Cc: BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Boxes on Golf Courses - Fertilizers, Pesticides &
Insecticides
Haleya Priest Amherst MA
This is my first year with a full golf course trail. I concur
with Dean about the golf course being his #1 place to start a
trail. When I walk on "my" golf course, everything is manicured to
the "tee" - grass, trees, landscaping. Flowering shrubs, ponds,
everything all cared for by someone else! When I come home I see
my HUGE gardens, home-made landscaping and yard that needs mowing
and wonder how I can ever manage both bluebirding and gardening!
The views - at least of mine - overlooking the entire valley are
exquisite! We also have ponds on the golf courses, cute bridges,
etc.
The pleasant relaxed atmosphere of the course is also very
appealing. There is such a peaceful feeling that pervades a golf
course....
It is the only place on my trail my husband will join me. We
either stroll or "fast walk" while we monitor boxes depending on
his mood. He'd go out every evening with me if I asked! (Now you
know why I micro manage). When I am by myself and I am feeling
lazy, I hop a cart and off I go - able to monitor 10 boxes in a
few minutes. There is no where else on my trail I could monitor
that many boxes that easily! Because of this, I'll probably end up
with double that many boxes in no time. The other thing that is
wonderful about having a trail on a golf course is the opportunity
for educating the public about bluebirding.
Golfers are beginning to get to know me and some have come up
and asked questions about their own backyard boxes. I expect this
to increase. Finally, because my trail is on a public golf course
I know how much I help support the town's efforts to increase
support for the golf course as an environmentally concerned/aware
area. :-) H
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 09:32:28 -0700
From: "Dusty Bleher" dusty"at"fsinc.com
To: "BLUEBIRD-L" BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu, "bblist"
bluebird"at"fsinc.com
Cc: Nestbox-l"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Boxes on Golf Courses - Fertilizers, Pesticides &
Insecticides
Tina et. al.;
The hazards to BB's of golf courses is greatly overstated. Most
GC's use only fertilizers and occasionally some herbicides. It's
rare for them to have to use insecticides (but they may).
The fertilizers and herbicides don't pose much hazard to
anything, much less a healthy BB. BB's are insectivores, and
biologically not necessarily effected
by herbicidal materials. And despite what you may have been told,
most insecticides in use today don't kill by "poisoning"--in the
classic sense, they kill by a variety of nerve incapacitation via
induction and other methods too numerous to tally--but specific to
arthropoda. And although care should be taken when handling them,
they don't have that kind of effect on warm-blooded animals. In
addition, most insecticides are target (bug) specific, kill nearly
immediately--and are rendered inert fairly quickly after
application. There are not billions of writhing highly toxic
insects, laying around for decades, waiting for some unwary BB to
find and eat. They quickly die, and become too uninviting for a BB
to dine on in a steady fashion. And, to underscore the fast
metabolization of most of the insecticides in use today, I've
observed ants happily harvesting and eating insects felled by
those kinds of topical insecticides--with no discernable long term
effects.
My trail goes completely around a golf course. Each visit I see
literally hundreds of surface feeders (robins, starlings, rock
doves, towhee's, mockingbirds, quail, wild turkeys, and others)
browsing and foraging through the GC. They all seem to be
perfectly healthy and happy. A "swoop feeder" like a BB, is even
less likely to be affected by topical applications of various
materials.
Yes, care should be taken when using any kind of chemicals, and
they should be used in accordance with all care and caution
warranted. But you'll find that
among users of such environmentally augmenting materials, that GC
owners and managers are by far the most cognizant of the issues,
and go out of their way to make their course "playable" and
safe--for both man and beast... By all means put your boxes in and
around GC's. Enjoy!
Regards all,
Dusty Bleher
San Jose, Ca.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tina Phillips" cbp6"at"cornell.edu
To: bluebirds"at"austin.rr.com; "BLUEBIRD-L" BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Cc: Nestbox-l"at"cornell.edu
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 06:00
Subject: Re: Boxes on Golf Courses - Fertilizers, Pesticides &
Insecticides
Hi Pauline,
Many nest box monitors will tell you that golf courses are a
perfectly safe
place to put up nest boxes. That may be true, but until we can
compare the
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 22:11:47 -0700
From: Linda Violett lviolett"at"earthlink.net
To: "bluebird-l"at"cornell.edu" bluebird-l"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Boxes on Golf Courses - Fertilizers, Pesticides &
Insecticides
Linda Violett - Yorba Linda, Calif.
The question was how to determine if golf courses using
chemicals are safe for nesting birds.
One way is to compare side-by-side hatch/death/fledge
statistics of golf course trails to adjacent trails.
I've just recently started monitoring a golf course trail and
the first thing I did was to compare the golf course statistics to
my suburban trail which is contiguous to the golf course. The
statistics are similar. But keep in mind that *both* of these
trail environments have chemicals.
On my suburban trail, I visited a site with just-hatched
bluebirds while watching chemicals being sprayed on the vacant
land which would be used for foraging. The land owners did not
want to spray the lot . . . it was mandated by the government for
"weed" control.
So if you are in a suburban area, chemicals on golf courses
probably wouldn't be much different than the surrounding areas.
Pauline Tom wrote:
Pauline Tom
Mountain City (no mountains) TX
15 miles south of Austin
At what point does a golf course have a small enough amount of
chemicals on
the course for it to be a safe place for nest boxes?
I read about nest boxes on golf courses and I also read about the
danger of
placing nest boxes in areas where chemicals are applied (because
birds eat
the poisoned insects).
For those of you who have placed boxes on golf courses, what's the
process
on determining if it's a safe spot?
Thanks!
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 02:11:30
From: "Joe Schultz" joschultz"at"hotmail.com
To: BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Cornell golf course study
Joe Schultz
Plover WI.
I don't golf and I used to think that golf courses were sterile
places made green at any cost.Was I ever wrong about that! When I
called the superintendent to ask permission to use my Bluebird
boxes to help determine if his golf course was an ok place for
cavity nesting birds I thought he might hang up on me. There was
no hesitation and his acceptance gave me the impression he had
nothing to hide. These places are not run by morons but educated
people that know what they are doing. There is more wildlife at
these places than I would have ever thought and the people in
charge are promoting it. I was disappointed to hear that the
number of people participating in the study had dropped
dramatically.I would encourage them to try it next year.I would be
very surprised if it was found out that golf courses are bad for
the production of Bluebirds.
From: "Fread J" firefrost2"at"hotmail.com
To: BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu (BLUEBIRD-L)
Subject: Pesticides & Golf Courses: Some Ideas To Ponder
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 07:54:20 -0600
The enormous use of pesticides, herbicides, rodenticides, and
fungicides on golf courses has now come under scrutiny. Due to
the tremendous use of water on golf courses, much of this material
applied is washed into the environment with detrimental effects.
Many golf course supervisors are seeking alternative methods to
limit and control the use of such chemicals. To approach them in
an accusatory manner, pointing out all the problems they are
creating, is vastly counter-productive.
One way to approach such a situation that I used was to alert
the Golf Course Supervisor of the need for a Bluebird Trail which
would greatly enhance the "nature experience" as golfers moved
thru the course. Explain how the Bluebird Nestbox Trail would be
an environmentally sound practice that would add natural interest
and beauty to the fairways.
Be sure to explain your need to supervise the trail would be
worked out fully with any schedule he might have to lessen your
prescence when golfers are playing. This is VERY important!
Always remember that each placement of a nestbox should be
"authorized" by him. I drew up a plan first, then made an
appointment with him to view the sites and get his ideas on
placement of the nestboxes.
Remember that he/she is a very busy person and may not have the
same enthusiasm as you! Always call to make an appointment!
Mornings will be his most busy time of the day as he gets crews
and work scheduled.
Approach him/her with the idea that you would be happy to give
a program on Bluebirding to the members so they could understand
how HE was attempting to better the environment and add to the
beauty of the golf course(s). Be willing to meet with the Board
of Directors to explain exactly how and what you wish to
accomplish. Offer a short write-up about the Bluebird Trail to be
used in the Club Newsletter to its membership.
Once established, get permission from the Golf Course
Supervisor to invite the local media to do a story on the Bluebird
Trail. Free advertisement about their golf course is always
well-received!
The "trick" here is to make the Supervisor always feel that he
is in control on all decisions. Once he has experienced your
sincerity and willingness to work with him, the Supervisor will
generally work with you freely with all problems.
These are a few observations which may aid you in an attemtp to
approach establishing a nestbox trail. I am sure that others can
add greatly to these thoughts and suggestions.
Fread J. Loane
Tulsa, Oklahoma
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:17:26 -0500
To: firefrost2"at"hotmail.com, BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
(BLUEBIRD-L)
From: Tina Phillips cbp6"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Pesticides & Golf Courses: Some Ideas To Ponder
Cc: Nestbox-l"at"cornell.edu (NESTBOX-L)
Fred brings up some very good logistical points about getting a
nest box trail implemented on golf courses. Getting the
cooperation of the golf course superintendent is key. Last year,
some of you may recall, The Birdhouse Network (TBN) implemented a
pilot study looking at the effects of pesticide exposure to
nesting birds. In all we only got data from a handful of people
but those who took the time to complete the study and work with
the golf course supervisor sent us a vast amount of valuable and
comprehensive data which we are currently in the process of
analyzing. Another reason we conducted this study is to attempt
to answer the question: Are golf courses good habitats for nesting
birds or are they ecological traps? We get this question a lot and
without geographically distributed data, we have no way of
knowing.
Additionally, TBN began working with the American Bird
Conservancy (ABC) to look at the effects of pesticide exposure to
nesting birds, regardless of habitat. By incorporating some key
questions into our on-line database, we now have the beginnings of
a database unlike any other. To my knowledge and to that of ABC,
there is no such study which looks at nesting success of cavity
nesters in relation to pesticide exposure across North America.
And to our surprise, nearly half of the 7,000 nest boxes submitted
in 2001, had answered information regarding absence or presence of
pesticides near boxes. I plan to summarize more of this data in
the upcoming issue of Birdscope.
Anyway, Susan raises a really good question. However, it is not
one that we can answer in the course of one nesting season, nor in
one geographic location. We need data from across the continent
and over the course of many years. With such a dedicated group of
birders as are on this list, it puzzles me why more of you are not
participants of TBN and entering this incredibly important
information to us. The Lab of Ornithology has the means and the
know-how to analyze data and answer questions that are important
to nest-box monitors and more importantly, to our efforts to study
and conserve cavity-nesting birds.
We also have a vast amount of information at our disposal
regarding pesticides and other environmental factors that TBN is
always willing to share with all of you. We can even provide you
with a free CD Powerpoint slide show, which contains many of the
beautiful images from the Bluebird Monitor's Guide to help spread
the word about TBN and nest-box monitoring.
Okay, I will get off my soap box now, but with nesting season
almost under way, we could really use more participants collecting
data for these important studies. To join TBN, please visit the
home page
http://www.birds.cornell.edu/birdhouse/index.html and click
the Join/Renew link on the left side of the screen. Joining is
still only $15 annually.
Hope to see your name on our list of Citizen Scientists!
Sincerely,
Tina Phillips
The Birdhouse Network
Cornell Lab of Ornithology
159 Sapsucker Woods Rd.
Ithaca, NY 14850
(607)254-2482
cbp6"at"cornell.edu
Join TBN at:
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At 07:54 AM 2/28/2002 -0600, Fread J wrote:
The enormous use of pesticides, herbicides, rodenticides, and
fungicides
...
From: "Gretchen Hughes" lghughes"at"
joink.com
To: Bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu (BLUEBIRD-L)
Subject: Golf course
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:31:53 -0600
Fread--
You made some very good points. I have a 22 box trail on the local
16 hole golf course, They have a rigid program, and I have never
lost a bird. The owner went with me and we put them at the 150 yd.
markers. I fledged 87 there the first yr, and 107 the 2nd, and 125
last yr. I made a poster board with the box numbers down the side,
and across the top, we made spaces for the first nest, first egg,
hatch date, fledge date, and # fledged. The members rush to check
it out each week, and see how the blues are doing. Some times when
I am there, they want to see the babies, and many have purchased
boxes from me. It is really a joy to have them so interested. Last
year we had our conference there, and just outside the clubhouse,
the closest box is placed, and during the conference the members
were watching the blues watching us --they even "performed" for
the viewers. Fun for all.
Loren Hughes
1234 Tucker Beach Rd.
Paris, IL 61944
217-463-7175
lghughes"at"
joink.com
From: "Gary Springer" springer"at"alltel.net
To: "BLUEBIRD-L" BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu, "NESTBOX-L"
NESTBOX-L"at"cornell.edu
Cc: "Gary Springer" springer"at"alltel.net
Subject: Golf courses/natural and man made pesticides
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:49:00 -0500
In an unsigned Message from a former golf course professional
was written:
"Golf course managers are probably one of the most scrutinized
pesticide users with licenses, permits, and inspections. Very few
farmers pesticide use is monitored.
In simple language, before we jump too high on this lets get
our facts. There are too many variables to jump to conclusions."
To which I reply:
Indeed, golf courses are not be the only users of dangerous
chemicals but when it comes to quantities per acre and persistent
use of pesticides, herbicides, fungicides and other 'cides,
they're in the lead. And it is the quantities and varieties they
use that has put them under scrutiny.
The persistent presence of these chemicals on golf courses is a
fact, not a conclusion we have to jump to.
And here as with many other areas of birding, there are
important unanswered questions.
Because bluebirds roam over wide areas and because golf courses
are relatively small, it will likely be impossible to determine
the effects of these poisons on bluebirds by standard nest box
data.
If we are to determine the impact of these chemicals on
bluebirds it will be necessary to perform biological analysis of
the livers, lungs and other body parts of nestlings taken from
boxes on golf courses.
Incidentally, the impact of the poisonous resins in cedar are
also revealed in the liver and body parts of warm blooded animals
and identifiable by analysis of these parts.
Has anyone conducted any of these types of biological
examinations on bluebirds or are any planned so we can answer some
of these important questions?
Gary Springer
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 09:44:08 -0500
To: NESTBOX-L"at"cornell.edu (NESTBOX-L), "BLUEBIRD-L" BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
From: Tina Phillips cbp6"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Golf courses/natural and man made pesticides
Hi Gray,
We have considered the type of biological analysis you discuss
for many years and it always comes down to cost. The cost to
examine one specimen for a variety of pesticides is several
hundred dollars. Even with the labs in place such as we have at
Cornell campus, these analyses cost so much. However, Caren Cooper
and I will be looking into writing a grant proposal in the near
future to conduct this type of analysis on a small, but
geographically diverse, scale . These kinds of studies are
extremely important and unfortunately, difficult to fund. But we
will keep trying.
On the issue of the Audubon Cooperative Sanctuary Program, when
I first began looking at pesticides and nesting birds, I did a
little research and found the Audubon Cooperative Sanctuary
Program and thought wow! this is great that Audubon is doing this.
I went to our contact Audubon person here at the Lab, and then got
the full story. Not only does National Audubon resent the use of
the name, they kindly discouraged me from any future associations
with the Sanctuary Program. At this point I am not sure what to
make of Audubon Cooperative Sanctuary, because at the very least
it does encourage golf courses to use less pesticides and more
environmentally friendly methods of water use and habitat
restoration. However the fact they charge a large annual fee makes
me a bit skeptical of their motives. Additionally, the fact that
many of the golf courses link to National Audubon, suggests that
they too are led to believe they are in some way connected to the
real Audubon Society. It seems the sanctuary program found a great
way to build accreditation with very little effort on their part,
by using a name synonymous with bird conservation and
environmental awareness.
Tina Phillips
At 09:49 AM 3/2/2002 -0500, Gary Springer wrote:
In an unsigned Message from a former golf course professional was
...
From: DottyRogers"at"netscape.net
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 14:10:43 -0500
To: BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu (BLUEBIRD-L)
Subject: Re: golf courses/pesticides
Gary:
The Manomet Center for Conservation Science (Manomet, MAss) is
doing a long-termed study of pesticide affects/eastern bluebirds;
ditto herons.
They have boxes on a pesticde-free orchard and boxes on an
orchard that uses IPM. Study is one year old. I'll see whatever I
can find have on it and pass it along. You might try their website
(Google search); (I'll add their address, next post.)
Dot
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