Bluebird Education & Presentation (Part 3)
From: "Keith & Sandy Kridler" kridler"at"1starnet.com
To: "BLUEBIRD-L" BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: kids program results
Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 07:52:58 -0500
Keith Kridler Mt. Pleasant, Texas
If you get up at 5 AM you will find the bluebirds and other birds calling to one
another. I am amazed that by the time most people get up and have time to listen
that the birds are mostly silent in my area. There has been a non stop symphony
going on for the past hour and this is really why I like to sleep with the
windows open:-)))
At the elementary schools in Mt. Pleasant, for the end of year they have
"Career Days" where different people come in and tell about their jobs and talk
to the students. They have me come in a talk about the birds. When I went to
school here in 1964 there were three elementary schools in the county that went
16 grades and there were only 60 kids in my grade at our school I graduated with
214 in our class in 1973 from a single High School. There are now 6 public
elementary schools (three more private schools) and we have three more public
elementary schools under construction and they only have K2! If I was a baby
boomer what are we going to call this explosion of children? Shawn just
graduated 8th grade with over 400 in his class and there are three other public
Junior High schools in the county now.
Anyway some of the highlights of talking to kids about birds! They brought in
three classes of students at a time one K one 1st and one 2nd grade class. These
averaged just over 60 students at a time. I have 15 minutes to get these classes
to switch between rooms come in sit down and give them something they will
remember before I head them out the door.
I go with class participation with them "screaming" out the answers. I show
the original birdhouses which are gourds and give a little history on the
Spanish and Indian traditions of raising and using gourds since half of the
students are from south of the border. I start with easy questions like do all
birds fly? With Wendell Long's photo of the bluebird sailing to the nestbox. All
the classes knew that "all" birds don't fly. When I asked, name birds that don't
fly the most common answer was penguin followed by chicken, turkey and Ostrich.
The chickens these kids see in our area can't fly!
All the kids shouted out "BLUEBIRD" when it hit the screen and about 1/4 the
class either fed birds, had nestboxes or gourds up and about 3/4 had looked in
nestboxes to see birds. I was amazed that about 1/2 of the students had seen
live flying squirrels and some watched them fly at night and were able to
demonstrate how the squirrels "flew" to the other kids.
I went through 54 slides in 6 minutes showing about 16 species that use
nestboxes. I showed the slide of a raccoon dining at "McDonalds" reaching into a
nestbox to get his morning "egg McMuffin". Showed the picture of the cat on a
nestbox roof. Nearly all the kids had seen cats kill birds. They liked the skunk
photo and several in each group had been sprayed. They all knew that owls ate
"rats and mice" before I showed the barn owl photo with it holding the deer
mouse.
When I started giving programs in 1976 I was teaching people how to get
bluebirds to come to their boxes, now the programs deal with what to do about
the problems of mirror & window attacking. This came up twice and one of the
other teachers in each group told how to use Wal-Mart bags over the car mirrors
or keep the car in the garage ETC. One of the teachers had 6 pairs of bluebirds
out of 10 boxes on his lake lot with other birds also using boxes. One teacher
had three pairs of bluebirds in her yard and had gone three summers without
being able to use the tube for their newspaper beside their mailbox because of
the bluebirds nesting in it each year.
Anyway 7 groups and 21 classes of students in a little over 1 hour and 45
minutes and over 400 kids went by the bird nest displays. Each child was sent
home with a packet of gourd seeds. Each class was given a birdhouse gourd to be
used as a "prize" for the best picture or best story written about birds for one
student in each class and the "winner" had to be "good" all the last week of
school!.
Bill Darnell sent me seeds for gourds last year and Shawn and I grew a whole
pile of them, I turned 25 of them into birdhouses in just over 30 minutes for
these kids and you have no idea how hard these kids worked to "win" one of these
gourds. The other kids were instructed to go home "right away" and plant the
seeds at home and at grand parents and neighbors ETC. Two years ago we did this
and it was fun driving around and seeing gourds growing on fences EVERYWHERE!
Besides my parents, Larry Zeleny, William Duncan personally and John K.
Terres through his writing inspired me to become interested in birds and go out
and do something for the bluebirds. Think about all those who have gone before
us in this effort this weekend and make a commitment to help carry on this
effort to help the native cavity nesters in your area. Reach out and touch
someone this month and help them help the birds even if it is a neighbor you
haven't met yet! No matter how nervous you are or how bad your stage fright
might be you CAN get up and talk about things you love. It WILL come from you
naturally once you start talking!
I want to say a special thank you to all the teachers out there as you are
the ones helping these students learn about and care about the world around
them! Everyone have a great weekend! KK
From: "Randy Jones" randyj"at"enter.net
To: "BLUEBIRD-L" BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: New Nestboxes at County Agent's
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 21:57:42 -0400
I was over to the County Agent's office the other day to inquire for help on
peonies, and noticed all that green grass around it: perfect bluebird habitat.
So I asked to see the "boss," and he came out and enthusiastically accepted my
offer to put up a pair of nestboxes for him.
The one I put up about ten days ago now has a tree swallow nest with two eggs
in it. The second which I put up three days ago, is still empty.
I left my card identifying me as our county coordinator for the Bluebird
Society of Pennsylvania, and encouraged him to put anyone who was interested in
touch with me.
Another way to spread the word.
Randy Jones
Lehigh County Coordinator
Bluebird Society of PA
From: "Randy Jones" randyj"at"enter.net
To: "Shane Marcotte" marco50"at"bellsouth.net
Cc: "BLUEBIRD-L" BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re: New Nestboxes at County Agent's
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 12:53:40 -0400
Whenever I go out to dinner, I look over the area around the restaurant, and
if it looks like a lot of green turf, I give the manager my BSP card, with my ID
as Coordinator of the BSP, my phone, snail and Email addresses, and tell them
I'd be glad to help them put up nestboxes at no charge. If they ever accept
(none have so far), I plan to leave a couple of extra cards, encouraging them to
put anyone interested in touch with me.
Randy Jones
Lehigh County Coordinator
Bluebird Society of PA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shane Marcotte" marco50"at"bellsouth.net
To: randyj"at"enter.net
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: New Nestboxes at County Agent's
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From: "Lee & Jim Johnson" mybuffy1"at"mindspring.com
To: BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: 2nd Brood
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 06:53:40 -0500
Hello,
Our first brood of five is still coming around in the mornings and evenings to
feed on mealworms, while five more eggs await hatching (around the 11th) in
another box in the yard. This is unusual, in that last year, Dad chased the
offspring away after teaching them about the mealworms.
I thought it unusual that Mom and Dad had not built a second nest in the same
box they used for the first brood this year and the two from last year. On a
whim, around the end of May, I checked the other box in the yard that they have
flown in and out of several times. Sure enough, a nest with one egg, followed by
four more in the following days.
I feel good in that I have spread the news to several friends/people about
the blues; they, too, are putting up boxes and wanting to know about mealworms,
good websites, etc. It is so fascinating to watch and listen to people as
interested as I am about these little creatures. And when they come to our yard
to view them, all seven streaks of blue flying around the
backyard------------the wonder and amazement they show! Lee in Missouri
From: "ke4fej1" ke4fej1"at"email.msn.com
To: BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Long Dirt Roads Not In My Comfort Zone
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 15:34:17 -0400
Hi All, This weekend I only skinned up one knuckle...ouwie! That was enough
pain. But I got "The Shot." I finished the eight predator guards which are
needed to finish my two started Trails. And they are ready for putting up. But
my people are not home. I am not in such a rush anymore because there is no need
to get the boxes up here. The heat "feels like" index has been 106 most days and
the temperature is in high 90's. So far all my 10 boxes will be in full sun.
I also am thinking now of getting past September and hurricane season. Last
year we had four very close calls. One storm just under a hurricane rating, had
sustained winds of 36 mph and gusted to high 90's. It lasted for hours and was
one of the most frightening storms we have ever had here. And I
have been through the eye of Hurricane Donna here. Sarasota County lost more
trees in that storm than they ever had before. So I don't want to start with a
loss in boxes.
Also started into motion this week was getting BB materials into our local
libraries. I called Manatee County and found they have one buyer for all the
libraries. I was told to tell him what I would like. The branch manager, I
talked to said that most any book you ask for they will buy. Isn't that
something! So tomorrow I will be calling, and I have my list ready. She said it
might be possible for them to be purchased before August. And if not that I
would be able to tell the Audubon groups that the books are on order. What the
Library does not buy, I will be asking the three Audubon groups to supply with a
donation of books.
In Sarasota County, I called the main library office and talked with the lady
who purchases. After she heard what I have done and what I am going to do she
said write a paper to tell about this BB Project. She thought it quite possible
to immediately find some "extra" money to purchase a few books and a video.
Another branch which is brand new, also said they still probably have beginning
funds to purchase with. And that Library is right next to a huge Bird Preserve.
So I think we should have books or the promise of them soon, for at least three
libraries.
I was also asked if I would like to be on a list that would talk at the
Library to special groups. And then they also would like posters and talks to
those using the library. Things are moving along!
Of course I could not resist finding a little adventure. I drove to the Hi
Hat Ranch which is a 60,000 acre, mainly used cattle ranch. I can never get them
on the phone. Well, my anxiety level started to go up and I started, and did
turn around. I traveled on a dirt road with barbed wire fenceing, and telephone
poles for as far as I could see. And that was seeing with binoculars too! The
land is all flat grass land. It appeared there might also be a Sod business
there too. Of course nobody was using this road. And in all my years I never
ever had heard what this ranch ..really.. did. I just could not go any further
in this heat and not knowing what or who I would find.
I waited at the main gate looking at other birds and hoping someone might
come down the road. Then unexpectedly a car turned in. You know I am good at
flagging down people and I got them to stop. And this was different too. This
young man who I prayed was going to be nice had an old car all fixed up
to rule the roads and it had satonic theme decales. Well, lets say it was
different. I later found from him that fixing cars up that way was his business.
Now I know I am getting older but I never really thought I would be on a dirt
road talking to a young man with silver rings hanging from any faciall part they
could. Lets say I don't think I will be making a habit of meeting people this
way, who can help me. But he was very nice and said he would deliver to his
girlfriends Grandfather, who manages the ranch, my phone numbers and what I
wanted to do with the use of the land.
The people who run the ranch live seven miles down that dirt road. I never
would have made it. The only down side to all this fence line is the dust when
the vehicles fly by. Do you think the dust could be a problem? I would put the
holes away from the road.
Later Christy Sarasota, FL
"Bluebirdless but not Too Fearless in Sarasota"
From: "ke4fej1" ke4fej1"at"email.msn.com
To: BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Going to Build House Sparrow Trails!
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 19:37:52 -0400
Hi All, Another week has passed and it was a G R E A T ! ....... week......
I worked on another part of my BB Project. I want to have written material for
all the future county Monitors out there. Also I want anyone to find information
about BBs. I had tried to buy any of the BB books, and not one store carried
them. They are an order only item. And only one library had one of the better
books I knew then about.
What I did was to contact the libraries in both Manatee and Sarasota asking if
it was possible that they might purchase some BB books. I found that donations
are always welcomed. And that is good because I would then ask the three
Audubon's to help in this area. As to the libraries purchasing, in Manatee I
found was all you had to do was ask one person. And in Sarasota each library had
to be contacted.
I called and then faxed Manatee county asking for three books and one video.
Within 30 minutes I received a call back saying that three sets of everything I
asked for was ordered! In Sarasota Counties I called three libraries and faxed
them. As of now one has replied that they are purchasing three items. By what
the other libraries said they also will be buying the items asked for.
Isn't this wonderful! So now six libraries in my counties will have 21 new BB
books and videos! I would hope ....that You also will make sure your libraries
have BB information and if not all you have to do is ask. I was told by one
library head that almost everything a patron asks for is purchased. So if your
BB experiences are getting thin, help in another area. Ask your local libraries
to get up to date on BB info. Let me know if you did!
Saturday I got three more poles done and got back the 5 boxes we tweaked up to
side opening. I then stenciled the first Trails numbers the boxes to finish my
first Trail. Sunday I went out to get them put up. The neighbor boy asked what I
was doing which gave me the chance to tell, as fast as I could ..all I know
about BBs. He said his Mom who is a Veterinarian would probably like a couple up
too. He also volunteered to take a wasp out of box #1...and I also did see grass
put in there! This young man also said he has seen a few bluebirds in his yard
before! Getting closer!
Saturday instead of getting out in the heat I got lost in the phone book
instead. I took another city... Myakka City and tried to make a contact. Myakka
City is in Manatee county and about 15 miles lower than my first Trail and the
Park. I was connected to the retired 37 yr. Post Master of the area, and she got
me in touch with the lady who puts together a news letter/magazine for the whole
Myakka area and part of Hardee County to Ona. Remember Ona is where the 25 box
BB Trail is set
up. They would like me to write a page and a half with photos on my BB Project.
And they are very excited about involving their community in this project and
see it as very doable. So anyone who has a photo to share like you did for LA.,
I would sure love to see them and get one or two to go with this article. Doors
continue to open!
Now, after reading the Bluebird Monitor, which by the way is a great book. All
of you should have it. It is wonderful to see photos and read about people we
hear from on the List. And it gives all the information one could need. Keith it
really is a super book! I was reading about the HOSP again and how it takes over
the boxes. And then I had a brain storm. Don't
know if y'all have heard this idea before but here goes.
Why not have .. House Sparrow Trails...? No, I have not been out in the sun too
long. Even on this List I hear how some keep the HOSP busy sitting on their
nest. This is done by letting them have a box, and then putting a pin, or
freeze, or wax, or cook, the eggs so they are not good. That keeps the pair busy
for up to three weeks. Now I don't really don't want to kill birds like most of
you. But, you see what is happening, and I believe what is happening out there.
I see HOSP Trails as an alternative everyone can do.
Even if my county gets BBs. I doubt because of all the HOSP I will ever get them
in my yard. I also am finding it very hard to find land close to my home for a
BB Trail. I also find I have other friends who would have a Trail but can't
travel far out or get too involved. And most others live in town which is a HOSP
haven. I am thinking it is not how many we kill, but how many we do not let get
hatched.
I CAN have a Trail and in my backyard and anywhere I want to and now! And so can
my friends. I have already run this by one friend and they are ready to join in.
We can put up boxes up for HOSP. Don't need a special wood box. Even the wrong
wood will probably be ok. Too thin doesn't matter. Or painted or stained,
doesn't matter. Don't need any predator guards, doesn't matter. Does not need to
be on a pole. They can be put anywhere in any quantity. I think of anything
thing happening to them would be like they would be totally on their own in the
natural cavities. If you get a good bird to breed in there, that is great too.
If you have them anyway this would be one way to help. A HOSP Trail would also
be monitored weekly and any eggs found would be pin punctured. The parents would
watch over the nest and in time give up. Clean out the box and hope they go back
or to another box and do the same again. Could a pair be kept busy one whole
year and not hatch one egg? Then if the HOSP normally only lives two years,
could it be possible that they never hatch any eggs? Anyway, record what is in
the boxes, pin the eggs. How many eggs could we stop from being hatched?
Remember one of my post where I played with figures. One HOSP could produce in
two years 49 to 168 new birds.
I can only see that the numbers of HOSP will have to go down. Plus anyone can
run a HOSP Trail, even on a back alley downtown! The only downside I see is that
a HOSP Trail is only to be put up if someone else is over the Monitor or the
individual Monitor knows this Trail ....has to be.... maintained or has to be
taken down. I do not see this as a widespread individual idea to take up, but
one to be used in conjunction with local BB Trails and their Monitors.
What do ya think? I know I will be having a HOSP Trail now in my neighborhood
and so will at least one of my friends. I will now, not have to closely monitor
my traps and I hate to admit but my first try I caught a Cardinal, which did
show me that the door is not too small to get a bird out of. He was not too
happy. I see now maybe next year I can have my Purple
Martin House without too many problems. Think about it before ya flame
me.....but I would like to hear your thoughts and ideas.
Christy Sarasota, FL
"Bluebirdless and soon to be House Sparrowless in Sarasota"
From: "ke4fej1" ke4fej1"at"email.msn.com
To: BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Wherever the BBs Lead Me...
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 23:02:08 -0400
Hi All, Another busy week down South. First I heard from Joe Huber and he is
glad to be back home but is not on the BB List right now. Checked on the golf
course and I have to wait a few more weeks for their answer.
My Sarasota Trail is reporting they think they see and especially hear a pair
of BBs above the boxes we put up. It was too misty to see for sure.
The news letter for Myakka City area came out, but the calls and e-mails have
been few. I have one, who wants to make 5 boxes with guards to my
specs, and then monitor the Trail. I just need to find the land. And one couple
with 80 acres, that say they have BBs all over their property, that want their
own Trail. And they may be interested in monitoring the Hardee County Trail
since it is just down the road. And two others that want Trails on their
property or to monitor. Thank Heaven the response is small and they also sound
very sincere in their request to help the BBs. One lady builds BB boxes for a
living and another raises birds.
I also found two more BB Trails in Tampa, FL. After calling the Trail
monitor, he told me that there is a 70 and 30 box Trail in two locations in
Tampa, which has been there for 15-20 yrs. It was put up by the Audubon Club and
their monitoring consists of cleaning the boxes once a year. Oh my. They report
the findings to Swift Mud which is a nickname for this areas state water
department. They report only what type of nests are found at the end of the
year. Most boxes are mounted on their water wells and 25% are on poles. None of
the boxes have predator guards. The Trails are on county owned parks, which are
miles of asphalt looped roads for bikes or people. No vehicles allowed on them.
I told him a bit about monitoring and predator guards and posts. They had never
thought of doing anything more, but now realizes the value of frequent
monitoring. And will be looking into finding others to monitor.
I also turned in a 22 page Booklet on BBs I created for our county 4-H. It is
like the other project or activity booklets the boys and girls pick for projects
each year. The 4-H in the state already have two Bird Units booklets to learn of
birds. This one is specifically geared to Bluebirds and our other cavity nesting
birds which could use a BB box. I never did anything like this before, but I am
trying. I figure a lot of our 4-H er's grow up on cattle range land which is a
great place to put up the BB boxes. And since us South Floridians are not
educated on BBs, I thought this would be a good way to introduce them to BBs,
and using birdhouses properly.
Building for me is on hold. All of these new people want to build their own
setups. They want to meet this week to get started. Ok....I'll be there.
Christy Sarasota, FL
"Bluebirdless but not Peopleless in Sarasota"
From: "emcooper" emcooper"at"bayou.com
To: Bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Fw: BLUEBIRD RECOVERY PROGRAM AT WORK
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:55:28 -0500
I sent this to a person on Bluebird-L and he said I should send it for the
List to read.
Subject: BLUEBIRD RECOVERY PROGRAM AT WORK
Today was a wonderful experience for Sheryl and me. We gave our presentation
to 85 4th graders at Matty Akin Elementary School in Greenville, Ms. The
children never took their eyes off the film we presented. They were mesmerized.
When Sheryl and I gave our talks about the bluebird, they really got into it.
They asked all sorts of questions. One little girl asked us if we liked the
Redbird too and we told her we did, but the Redbird builds its nest in a bush
and Bluebirds don't. So, we explained that we support all cavity- nesting birds.
When we finished, there was a big round of applause for us and I always feel
surprised and grateful!
Sheryl had cut out 9 nestboxes and purchased the screws to put them together
and presented them to the 4th graders. We recommended that they use boiled
linseed oil to protect them before installing them on the school grounds.
Several teachers were with the groups and they were all excited about the
project. This is the key, if the leaders are excited about it and committed, it
will work. This is the first presentation that our team has given to children
and I am still glowing just thinking about the look on the children' faces!
I took lumber to the Delhi Middle School this afternoon for them to get
started on their project. We will require all these different schools and
organizations to send a report monthly to us so that we can see the progress
made and to be sure that the nestboxes are being properly monitored. We insist
on this so as not to be putting out nestboxes for sparrows and starlings to nest
in. We will also make periodic inspections.
Evelyn Cooper
Louisiana Bayou Bluebird Society
Bluebirds along the bayous...where we lend a helping hand!
From: "Dottie, Hickory Hollow, Brown County, Indiana"
yumyumkatts"at"voyager.net
To: "Bluebird L" BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Bluebird Education
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 21:16:36 -0500
We had 10 people in my Garden Club Bluebird educated this past Wednesday
thanks to Dan Sparks who came out and gave us a wonderful Bluebird presentation
complete with a neat 15 min. Bluebird video.
Two gals joined the Brown County Bluebird Club and several bought boxes, etc.
I'm sure there will be a few more BB boxes up next year and a few more people
know a lot more about our beautiful Bluebirds thanks to Dan .
Dottie, Hickory Hollow
Brown County, Indiana
(50 miles south of Indianapolis)
Lat: 39.371N Lon: 86.261W Zone 5 Elevation: 680 ft
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:42:54 -0800
From: Linda Violett lviolett"at"earthlink.net
To: Bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Box Projects/Homeowners
Linda Violett - Yorba Linda, Calif.
Christy, who were you responding to that wrote "Don't go down the path of
'educating the kid . . . " ??? Ask them to post to the List so we can get the
other half of the discussion.
ke4fej1 wrote:
To: ke4fej1"at"email.msn.com
........ Dont go down the path of "educating the kids...."
Hi , In a response to One's opinion above, I thought I would voice
my opinion to it for all. Out of respect I will not put the whole e-mail on
(unless I asked first). But ...Gee, read that sentence a few times. If
we don't go down the path to educating kids...why do we bother sending
kids to school etc.
From: "Mr Tony" mrtony8"at"mchsi.com
To: lviolett"at"earthlink.net, Bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Box Projects/Homeowners
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 04:44:36 -0600
That would be me, and is my opinion. I have worked several years at
"educating the kids," and dont take it the wrong way, because it is necessary to
introduce them to the wonderful world of birds. How else may we have a new
generation to take our places? On the other hand, I have seen kids over and
over, get excited about bluebirds and their nesting activities, only to crash on
me later, leaving me with the unpleasant task of cleaning up after them. Out of
100 kids, you may end up with 1 or 2 who will carry on. Maybe it is worth it to
get just one kid who will devote time to the birds. It can be frustrating. Phil
Berry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda Violett" lviolett"at"earthlink.net
To: Bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: Box Projects/Homeowners
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To: Bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
From: Mary Roen mbroen"at"pressenter.com
Cc: mbroen"at"pressenter.com
Subject: 4-H Bluebird projects
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:46:20 -0600
Christy,
I think you are doing a superb job promoting our Bluebirds. Not many people
have put the time and energy in to education that you have. You have my
admiration! I would like to be able to do more than just monitor my own 26
boxes, but at this time in my life, I just don't have the time. I do talk to
people whenever I have the chance, and have given information to people who are
interested. When I hear of people who have nest boxes up, I do try to be sure
they know to monitor them.
I too, belonged to a 4-H club for nine years. 4-H does teach great work
ethics, values, and practical skills. I took gardening, cooking, preserving,
clothing, poultry and horses. Unfortunately, to be involved in many of these
projects, one has to have access to a farm or a rural setting. I was unable to
get my own daughter to join a 4-H club. It seems that kids aren't interested in
such things, and if the friends don't belong, it is hard to keep your child
interested. I feel that 4-H taught me great skills for life, and I enjoy doing
these things today.
I think a Bluebird project in 4-H would have much more success in teaching
kids to set up and continue to monitor a trail, because as you said, 4-H is a
continuous experience over many years, not just a one time project. The Bluebird
project could evolve each year to keep records of how many eggs were laid, how
many hatched and fledged, what contributed to success or failure etc. just like
we keep statistics on our trails. When one 4-H member moved on, another could
take over the trail and continue the process. You are right when you said it is
hard to imagine the impact this could have across the country!
Again, Christy, keep up the good work, and don't let one or two people
discourage you from the great effort and persistence you have shown in helping
our Bluebirds. You have done more than you know to inspire the rest of us!
Mary Roen, River Falls, WI
From: "emcooper" emcooper"at"bayou.com
To: lviolett"at"earthlink.net, Bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Box Projects/Homeowners
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:06:39 -0600
Our organization is 6 months old. We have 5 projects, 2 schools, 2 Campfire
Boys & Girls, Boy Scouts and one Nature Walk Trail.
We are drafting a proposal/plan for each project and requesting that at
anytime the nestboxes are not monitored anymore, they be taken down. We also
require a monthly written report from the organizations.
As for this thing of saying "no" to them, that is hard to do. I watch their
faces as they are watching the video and they are fascinated. My hope is that
even if they do loose interest, maybe in their adulthood, they will come back to
it.
Evelyn Cooper
Delhi, La.
Louisiana Bayou Bluebird Society
Bluebirds along the bayous.......where we lend a helping hand!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda Violett" lviolett"at"earthlink.net
To: Bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: Box Projects/Homeowners
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From: "Kathy Clark" lilbirdie2u2"at"hotmail.com
To: blueburd"at"tds.net, kridler"at"1starnet.com, BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Cc: WLInst"at"yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: New World House Sparrows;bluebirds
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 00:59:47 -0500
Kathy Clark New Cumberland,PA
Yes Bruce I agree with all of your "cyanical" reasons :), but if I didnt try
I would feel worse. Everytime I reach somebody in some way that's progress..
People are more concerned in general about other things..most of them "instant"
as you say. I saw Phil or somebody chirpin n about schools etc. and if we want
to teach I just basically tell the kids the way it is.. Some get it and lots of
times it is the teachers who don't monitor for the summer. I have a tape of such
a "research trail" We can't help everyone, but after watching his approach and
helping som of his students privately the last few years to "get it" I know I
made an impact.. They said in 2 hours I taught them more than they learned in a
semester. The teacher's ambitions were admirable.. but I wouldn't let him on my
trail! Some of the key to this is the joy the fun of seeing the birds in
different environments. He tried but maybe "rules of the school" stop him from
having a real trail. I thought these kids are missing so much. Just my 2 cents.
Kathy
To: Keith K., et al,
Based on my own experience here, I agree completely with Keith
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From: sbassie"at"bellsouth.net
To: Bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Box Projects/Homeowners
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 00:49:00 -0600
In one of the school projects mentioned below, We have set it up starting
with 4th graders. (The school is k-6). The project is the "property" of the
Science and Math Lab teacher. Kids coming into the 4th grade will be introduced
to the project, and will work on it through the 6th grade. This way, there will
always be a new group coming in every year, and a group dropping out when they
move on to Junior High. One of the goals is to expose the students to data
collection through the monitoring of the trail over the long term.
I believe the true key to this is having a dedicated teacher who sees the
opportunity as more than just helping provide habitat for BB's (As important as
that is!). This trail is part of an Urban Wildlife Refuge Project on the school
campus spearheaded by this truly dedicated teacher.
From the beginning, She has understood that the nesting season will continue
after school is out, and that monitoring will have to continue. She and I have
agreed to share that responsibility. (Since she is also a close friend, we
jumped at the idea of some time through the summer months that is dedicated to
doing something together, without our "better halves" getting in the way!)
I believe that educating children early on is the way to teach them to love
and respect all of God's creatures, but, just giving a child a nestbox, without
supervision and following through isn't enough. I have made the commitment to
stay with this project on a long term basis, as has the teacher. Hopefully, some
the children will take from this a life-long love of birding. All, I believe,
will benefit from an early exposure to learning to collect data, do research,
and finding ways to solve problems that will certainly come up along the way.
I believe that this project has a good chance for success, because of the key
ingredients: Dedication and commitment from both myself and the teacher
involved. I'll be keeping you posted!
Sheryl Cooper Bassi
Louisiana Bayou Bluebird Society
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "emcooper" emcooper"at"bayou.com
Reply-To: emcooper"at"bayou.com
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:06:39 -0600
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From: "Mr Tony" mrtony8"at"mchsi.com
To: lviolett"at"earthlink.net, Bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Box Projects/Homeowners
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 05:05:28 -0600
I think if an elementary school wants to initiate a project whereby bb boxes
are built and/or installed ON SCHOOL PROPERTY, and monitored by the students, I
am wholeheartedly behind them. It is when they want to do good for the community
and install loads of boxes, then walk away from them, that I part company with
them. I run across these "projects" frequently, in our area, as we do our
birding. I will be doing the CBC (Christmas Bird Count) here in less than three
weeks, and I usually find several of these kind-hearted projects, all
unmonitored, scattered around the county. And I don't want to pour cold water on
anyone, but putting boxes up willy nilly ---- without committments from
dedicated monitors---- is irresponsible. That is the crux of my argument, as
stated previously. These people do far more harm than good. It is almost as
if--when I am gone, who will take over my trail? Have any of you ever asked a
friend to take over your trail while you took a couple weeks off? It is almost
impossible to get an affirmative answer. I am a long-time member of the Audubon
society, have known the local members and birded with them for years, and not
one would step forward last year when I went to Alaska for the month of May.
Only poor Billl Davis --- not a member -- volunteered, and he faced a long drive
each way to accomodate me. In MHO, if you put up 100 boxes, you darn well better
be ready to monitor every last one of them. So make it easy on yourself. Phil
Berry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda Violett" lviolett"at"earthlink.net
To: Bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: Box Projects/Homeowners
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From: "Keith & Sandy Kridler" kridler"at"1starnet.com
To: "BLUEBIRD-L" BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Working with school kids
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 07:59:40 -0600
Keith Kridler Mt. Pleasant, Texas
Don Hutchings and I spent all day Monday helping a 5TH grade school set up and
build nestboxes for a new Bluebird Trail 50 miles to my west and 30 miles west
of Don's trail. Our two trails overlap a little and tie into the old boxes of
Robert McKinney's trail that started west of Don so this Sulphur Springs trail
is just a little ways down the road from boxes that have been up since the
1980's. Don only fledged 200 bluebirds this year from fifty boxes and has
probably only fledged 3,000 bluebirds or so since the mid 1980's from his
personal boxes. Don has about 30 people in his area with mini trails and another
300400 nestboxes are seen and some of these have higher per box fledge rates but
he does not count them as his trail.
47 science students constructed 107 nestboxes from 9 AM till 2 PM. We had a
total of 10 adults helping during the day and we worked one on one to get the
nestboxes correctly built. Don ran the final inspection station to insure the
nestboxes would open smoothly and easily and re-built or added nails at this
station before the nestbox "passed". 80 nestboxes constructed from 1&1/16" thick
cypress lumber planed on one side were built for a major bluebird trail at a 900
acre city park. Each student signed the box bottom with an indelible pen and
will look for "their" boxes on the Coleman Park trail later this summer.
30 nestboxes were constructed from exterior plywood for the students who
returned a parents signed "contract" allowing them to be part of the "backyard"
research comparing the nesting success of a large trail in one area to find the
advantages of scattered nestboxes over a county wide area. They are also going
to compare shades of paint and the LRV (light reflective value) by buying and
installing their own temperature data loggers to check the different shades for
the lethal inside the nestbox temperatures. They are setting up a school
"Project Feeder Watch" program to report back to Cornell.
OK lets back up a little as this DID NOT happen over night. We started giving
bluebird programs several years ago in Sulphur Springs. In just the last two
years over 150 nestboxes were given to the 6 different groups we talked to from
retired teachers union to church youth groups. Of these about half of the people
coming to a "bluebird slide program" already had nesting bluebirds.
In October, Texas Bluebird Society TBS was contacted about helping set up a
bluebird trail for the students. By the end of October through e-mails and a
face to face evaluation of the teacher we convinced them to get the city parks
board involved and several birders in the area and select adult monitors for at
least a three year project.
Kate Oshwald and I went and gave about a three hour slide show, hands on
displays of boxes, predator guards, actual eggs/nests from the 7 species they
are likely to find in their nestboxes. We discussed anything 5TH graders can
think up about birds! The responsibility we impressed on the students actually
scared the teacher into wondering if they could fulfill what the bluebirds will
need! The students are going to experiment with passive and active controls of
House Sparrows.
Kate and I drove through the park twice and then Sandy, Shawn and I went a
week later to evaluate the park again and look for native cavity nesters and
natural cavities. Unfortunately nearly every dead tree near roads and ball
fields are being cut down for safety reasons. More e-mails, many more, were sent
before the nestbox styles/lumber selections were made. Don and I then helped
with construction and again toured the park during a cold rainy day. We will
install the nestboxes with all the students in a couple of weeks.
The local TV station came out and filmed the students nailing together the
nestboxes. The interviewer said he LOVED bluebirds! His dad has up 15 nestboxes
on 30 acres and had 12 pairs of bluebirds last year....Until you see the pride
these students put into this project and hear the chants of "BLUEBIRD-BLUEBIRD"
ringing down the halls you simply have not lived. THIS made an impression even
on the teachers not involved because the excitement this has generated for the
students for almost two months now. Even if they only check nestboxes for a
single year they WILL remember this. They asked the kids in the school video why
were doing this and you would be amazed at what the students remembered from the
program over a month ago....Give me a description of what a successful bluebird
trail should produce the first year! In five months we will see if this trail
passes. KK
From: "emcooper" emcooper"at"bayou.com
To: kridler"at"1starnet.com, "BLUEBIRD-L" BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Working with school kids
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:30:31 -0600
Keith, we let the Matty Akin Elementary School that Sheryl Bassi was writing
about use our display in their science room for several days. It is a nestbox on
a stand complete with a predator guard and an echo roof. She told me students
from the whole school came in and viewed it even though this is a 4th grade
project.
One part I like best in our presentations is the time we give the students to
ask questions. It is amazing how many GOOD questions they come up with and how
they take part in it.
Overall, I think we must be doing something right as the Bluebird Recovery
Program is on the upswing. I do believe though, that we will have to supply
nestboxes from now to eternity because of the continued decrease in habitat. We
certainly need to involve and educate our younger generations.
Thanks, Keith for your good posts as always,
Eveyn Cooper
Delhi, La.
Louisiana Bayou Bluebird Society
Bluebirds along the bayous.......where we lend a helping hand!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith & Sandy Kridler" kridler"at"1starnet.com
To: "BLUEBIRD-L" BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 7:59 AM
Subject: Working with school kids
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 07:54:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Jim Elliot j_bird717"at"yahoo.com
Subject: Re: A Wrap Up on the Box Project/Homeowners from me...
To: ke4fej1"at"email.msn.com, BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
It is hard to talk by email at times....
Christy and others,
It certainly is. Ain't it funny, we're all talking bluebirds but it's more
like discussing politics or religion. I try to stay away from most debates for
that reason. We are what we are, believe what we believe and we do what we do.
It's hard for me to accept that there is only one truth and "they" have it. My
only advice is to listen to all the opinions but follow your own path with
courage and conviction.
Jim Elliot
East Prospect, York County, PA
39.9671135 N -76.5293884 W
Elevation 400'
j_bird717"at"yahoo.com
From: "Bruce Burdett" blueburd"at"tds.net
To: "BLUEBIRD-L" BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu, WLInst"at"yahoogroups.com
Subject: Landowners
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:24:33 -0500
I have always gotten a very warm, surprised, and delighted reception whenever
I ask landowners' permission to locate my Bluebird houses on their property.
I've never been refused, and many of these folks start out as total strangers.
Right now my houses (72) are located on the properties of 28 different local
taxpayers. And they are only too willing to have me do all the monitoring and
other maintenance. One such citizen has even given me the combination for the
electronic gate on the entrance road to his 127-acre lot. (I can't call it a
'driveway' because it winds through the forest for almost a mile.)
There are also incidental benefits. I have received, through the years,
homemade berry preserves, fresh raspberries, bottles of wine, books, homemade
furniture and knicknacks (sp?), maple syrup, honey, carrot cake, cookies, a
batch of chicken 'cacciatore.' (hunter style) and even some rides on the lake in
a magnificently restored 80-year-old canopied 24-foot electric launch, - a
vintage Elco.
The most pleased people of all are those who have never seen a Bluebird, or
who hadn't seen one since their childhood, or whose children are into nature
stuff.
So give it a try. No harm in asking. All they can do is tell you to get lost.
Bruce Burdett SW NH
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:19:03 -0800
From: Linda Violett lviolett"at"earthlink.net
To: Bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Working with school kids
Linda Violett - Yorba Linda, Calif.
We've received some good reports of monitors who are placing nestboxes in a
responsible manner. A particularly encouraging concept was presented by Sheryl
Bassi with school nestboxes being monitored by fourth graders so that most
children in the area are exposed to the program as they pass through the school
system. She, Evelyn and others are also building in adult co-leadership and
followup; and Keith's current projects are good as long as box retrieval plans
are in place because habitat and commitments *do* change.
In my area, many nestboxes are being "thrown out" without any follow up.
House sparrows seem to watch native birds use a newly-placed box during the
first nesting(s). And the first year is during height of excitement for new box
owners and all seems well. Then house sparrows, fueled by ample food from our
urban environment, start taking over.
A few days ago, Keith wrote:
"House sparrows are living creatures. They must have a dependable water source.
They must have access to insects while their young are in the nest. They must
have grain within 310 miles during parts of the year. They must have safe
roosting/protection from predators for all seasons of the year. In
urban/suburban/rural areas they do not need a nestbox an any time to build up a
massive population IF all the other requirements are met. Unmonitored excess
boxes *will* ultimately help house sparrows and be counter-productive to our
efforts."
In my neighborhood, there is no bad weather to cull out house sparrows, there
is no lack of food (seed), there is no lack of water (sprinklers, water
fountains). All good bluebird habitat is already part of my trail. Marginal
areas (front yard strips) will also raise some bluebirds *IF* specific
conditions are met and maintained. But if those specific conditions are not met,
boxes will ultimately help house sparrows.
Yesterday, a complimentary copy of the Bluebird Monitor's Guide was given to
the local high school wood shop teacher that is building nestboxes. I've asked
to track the results of those boxes so they can be compared to boxes on my
monitored trail. This may provide impetus to put unmonitored "bluebird"
box-distribution programs in check--at least for this area.
My request, once again, is for monitors to stop and think about the long-term
affects to native birds before embarking on any action or program.
Keith & Sandy Kridler wrote:
30 nestboxes were constructed from exterior plywood for the students
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From: "Mr Tony" mrtony8"at"mchsi.com
To: lviolett"at"earthlink.net, Bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Working with school kids
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 17:25:23 -0600
"...stop and think about long term..." How right you are, Linda. In our area,
it seems every other house has a martin house in the yard, virtually all of them
loaded with HOSP during season. I spend a lot of time "educating" these
irresponsible home (martin) owners, using the literature from the martin group,
about monitoring and cleaning these HOSP factories. When I can, I convince them
to let me take them down. Martins are nowhere to be seen here in recent years,
at least during nesting season. It must seem "cute' to put these apartments up
initially, then human nature takes over. Phil Berry Gulf Breeze, Florida
----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda Violett" lviolett"at"earthlink.net
To: Bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: Working with school kids
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From: "Bruce Burdett" blueburd"at"tds.net
To: "ke4fej1" ke4fej1"at"email.msn.com
Cc: "BLUEBIRD-L" BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu, WLInst"at"yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Landowners
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 20:12:08 -0500
Christy,
A few folks do monitor my boxes on their property, but very few, and I always
double-check them to make sure. Now and then I get a phone call from someone
with a progress report, but usually not. I've learned that it's my job and mine
only if I want it done correctly.
Occasionally I get a call from someone who's heard of my project by the
grapevine, or read about it, or heard about it on the radio (no TV yet) and they
ask if I'll come out to see if their place is suitable for a few houses. But
good clearings are few and far between in our mostly wooded township, and most
of the time I have to say no. I do, however, always give them one of my free
info/suggestions packets in case they want to go for Tree Swallows, Chickadees,
Wrens, or something.
I wish you every success in your wonderful effort. Gradually you'll figure
out the best thing to do in your location, and you'll do it. Just don't hesitate
to give up on things that simply aren't working, - and concentrate on the things
that do.
Bruce Burdett, SW NH
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:32:01 -0800
From: Linda Violett lviolett"at"earthlink.net
To: Bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Student Monitoring
Linda Violett - Yorba Linda, Calif.
While we are out on our trails, it is surprising that the folks we briefly
meet will sometimes contact us after a great deal of time has elapsed. Today, a
teacher I had met on the trail, wrote and asked if I would speak to his class
about nestboxes. In light of the recent discussions about school nestbox
projects, the List might be able to glean some alternate ideas for school
projects from the excerpt (below) of my response:
(Excerpt):
Teachers could provide a real-life environmental lesson for students that could
*really* help wildlife in our urban settings and here is what I would like to
see:
1) Fall months: have each student canvass their own neighborhood and ask
homeowners if the student can monitor and report on which species uses EXISTING
and feeders and EXISTING nestboxes during the school year.
2) Winter months: have students report back which species are attracted to
and helped by the feeders (as observers only--no interference, no
recommendations or guidance)
3) Spring months: have them monitor homeowner nestboxes just the same as I do
with my bluebird trail--noting the species, counting/dating
eggs/hatch/fledge--but they should be observers. No nestbox interference,
observation only.
4) End of semester: have them report back to the class what they observed as
a result of the homeowner feeders and nestboxes and whether it is
helping/hindering our declining native species. NOTE: House Wrens are native
(protected), but on a huge increase because of nestboxes and House Wrens have
the habit of going around to all other nests in their territory and destroying
eggs. So even though House Wrens are native, they have proliferated to "pest"
populations but they are still a native species under full protection of federal
laws and should not be harmed.
After this class project, you could have them do their "community service"
work by turning those EXISTING boxes/feeders toward helping a declining native
species with active eviction of house sparrows, etc.
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:52:12 -0800
From: John Schuster wildwingco"at"earthlink.net
To: lviolett"at"earthlink.net
CC: Bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Dead cavity nesting birds for student education?
Dear Friends,
Linda's suggestion for educating our youth has merit and I'm sure most of us
will chime in on this one.
However, this post is about putting dead cavity nesting birds that we
inevitably will find along our trails to a useful purpose and how they can be
resurrected from the dead to educating our youth.
By law it is illegal for any citizen of the USA to have in possession (dead
or live) any migratory or native bird without a proper permit. I know these laws
were meant to protect our avian friends (and I'm not disagreeing with it), but
like most bureaucratic blunders there is little room to get around the rigidity
of these laws no matter how well the intentioned they are. I always thought it
was silly to just toss a perfectly good Bluebird specimen (and old friend) into
a vineyard for the worms or ants to dine on when it could serve a useful service
even after death.
For those of you that would like to resurrect Old Mr. or Mrs. Bluebird, try
talking to some science or agricultural teachers at your local schools and see
if they would be interested in having a mounted Bluebird or Barn Owl specimen in
their classroom for education purposes (this is one of the only ways that a
native dead bird can be preserved legally; for educational purposes.)
If they are responsive, then offer to have the bird stuffed (the cost of
taxidermy fluctuates around the $160.00 (+ or -) with case for Barn Owls and
half that for Bluebirds), and mounted (say to nest box) with the stipulation
that you can barrow the specimen for your own lecturing endeavors. Most teachers
are willing to go along as they are not putting up their own money (their
pockets are empty anyway) and there is a big swing in our schools to enlighten
our kids about conservation.
Next, contact your local office of the United States Department of the
Interior, Fish and Wildlife Service. Tell them why you are contacting them and
ask them to send you the Federal Fish and Wildlife Licence/Permit Application
Form (OMB No. 1018-002) which they will be happy to do for you.
Next file out the A, B and C sections of the form date and sign the form.
Next you will need to review questions #1, #2, #4, #6, and #7 on the Information
Questioner, Special Purpose - Education and Possession Dead Specimens (50 CFR
21.27) and your answers to these questions needs to be a formally typed reply
(which is just a formality.) Once everything is completed mail the works back
with a "$25.00 processing fee" check made out to U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
and that's it.
Now that is what I call recycling at it's best, plus the joy Old Mr. or Mrs.
Bluebird will bring to the kids will be immeasurable as most have never seen a
Bluebird in any capacity (just go to any inner city where a live goat or a cow
gets these kids excited.)
However, with Linda's help (and others) they may indeed see those beautiful
blue flashing wings dancing through the air again.
Happy Bluebird Trails To You,
John Schuster
Wild Wing Company
1179 Debbie Hill Road
Cotati, California 94931
PH: (707) 795-4440
From: "Keith & Sandy Kridler" kridler"at"1starnet.com
To: "BLUEBIRD-L" BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Fw: Maxey House Program
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 08:48:32 -0600
Keith Kridler Mt. Pleasant, Texas
Yesterday Shawn and I drove 60 miles north to help put on a Bluebird Day. The
following was actually written for and sent to the Texas Bluebird Society
officers and Board of Directors to inspire/push/pull/prod whatever it takes to
help our native cavity nesters.....even MORE! While I was writing this Kate
Arnold was writing a poem.....It is AMAZING the intense power species of "blue"
birds can have on so many people......We had people driving 150 miles for a
single afternoon of sharing "Bluebird of Happiness" stories and
problems......Anyway I hope this inspires you to join NABS and your local group.
Order a slide program or tape or CD and start sharing the joys of being involved
with such an inspiring group of people. Keith Kridler
Shawn and I went up early to Kate and John's again to asses their total
acreage for more nestboxes....GEEZ you guys! In East Texas if you can see the
back fence or the tree line past all your nestboxes you NEED a FEW more!!!
Seriously the pick up load of boxes they hauled last week in the picture is NOT
going to be enough....They have perfect habitat WAY back from the road that will
pull many species from the hundreds of acres surrounding their property to come
to new nestboxes. For example a single dead willow tree had three different
woodpecker sized cavities drilled in the trunk within 4 feet of each other.
Maxey House 8th? annual bluebird day! Judy had the bluebird flags flying out
along the street and parking lot, When we got there at 11:30 for the 1 PM till
(??) event. She had 20 call or write to reserve space when the temperatures were
75* and sunny the week before....Judy had four bluebirds in this "downtown Paris
Yard" the week before! Kate, Shawn and I were representing TBS/NABS and Judy had
called in seven volunteers to cut out and build nestboxes, help people register
and whatever is needed at one of these events....Larry Calvin (8th year?) from
TP&W was there to show them how to cut out and build a GOOD and SIMPLE $3
nestbox... The "outside program" turned into an indoor event as soon as we
opened the truck door....It was still FREEZING!
Well all 10 of us were still sitting around at 1:05 and felt that the cold
day and predicted snow/sleet rain had made everyone cancel their plans to attend
the "Maxey House Bluebird Day". A car pulled in at 1:06 and we mobbed them:-)))
By 1:15 we have 1215 coming in. By 1:30 in was a zoo and 21 had paid the $3
"program fee" and most paid $5 for the chance to build a cedar kit box made
by/from some of Judy's, "volunteers".
Judy was bubbling over with "the Bluebird of Happiness" as she opened the
program and Kate followed with the TBS/NABS pitch and what we are doing as a
group, what we WANT to do as a group what we NEED to do as a group.... I didn't
realize how much we are getting done but how MUCH still needs DOING! Kate can
share the "first" question she had to answer:-)))
I "thought" this was supposed to be a "get the novice started with a single
nestbox day". It turned out that of 24 people for my first program that 4
couples of them already had read The Bluebird Monitors Guide. Most of these
people came as couples or by three's....ONLY two people, a couple, did NOT have
nesting bluebirds!!!! People with four or five pairs of bluebirds nesting at one
time was common....Golf course trails, 200 acre ranch trails, backyard trails
all types of habitat!
When you plan on novices in the audience showing up only from Lamar county
(Around Paris) that only need the "basic" stuff like "This is a picture of a
bluebird! This is what is called a "nestbox! This is a ----" and all of a sudden
you have these people with HUNDREDS of nestboxes, they have already fledged
thousands of bluebirds, they have been doing this for YEARS and they start
showing up from Texarkana, Clarksville, Durant Oklahoma, Sherman and Dennison TX
and cover 1,500 square miles of these states (or more) you have to reach deep
into your hip pocket and pull out a TOTALLY different type of "bluebird
Program!!!!"
It scared me when about 10 minutes into my spiel/slide program I was losing
some of the standing room only crowd at they started slipping out the back door
and into the hallway.....I didn't find out till later they were calling friends
and neighbors telling them they NEEDED to come QUICK.....People just kept
dropping in all afternoon......
After the first half of my slides we broke up with building kit boxes, how to
lay out a good nestbox, how to protect against Texas heat and sparrows and
predators and ----and ----and----. Looked like a small army building nestboxes,
They had Kate backed into a corner of another room and she was being mercilessly
pummeled with questions and although I could not see her I heard the answers
coming back....Barnes our nestbox builder from Lamar county dropped in for 7
nestbox labels for a few minutes.....He said "GEE I committed to building 25
nestboxes by sometime in March....Looks like I better HURRY!"
Judy ran out of kits.....Judy ran out of finished nestboxes in the gift
shop....I don't know how many bluebird guides I had to sign.....Shawn was our
designated photographer and printed information wizard.....He held the
collapsible folder with printed matter and when possible we handled individual
questions with "read this" to speed things up....It is VERY hard keeping up with
who got what and where it is even in a single folder.....We left some people out
like the interpretive "working" ranch owners who drove 60 miles for help with
setting up a cavity nester trail..... Kate thought they talked to me I thought
they talked with her...Ended up they gave BOTH of us printed material on THEIR
ranch and neither of us remembered them during the melee.....
Shawn only got a few pictures, he "claims" he was too busy sprinting from the
house to the parking lot and getting more TBS nestboxes for those who needed
more than Judy had! He can't remember how many labels he stapled on the
nestboxes. He said he had to switch to only two staples per label to keep
up.....He is not sure even how many boxes he unloaded! We could not see out the
back of the truck going but we moved enough that we could on the return trip!
After the nestbox building/bluebird question feeding frenzy was over we
settled back into the last half of my program. Everyone starting winding down
and some said their good byes and began long drives home. The die hards started
back into really tough questions.....Kate and Judy came to the rescue when I
started "fudging" on some of these......Dang some of these issues are
complex.....
We finished up with the "mad Bluebird" and some pretty neat stories from
those attending and we were starting to look like a group of people sitting
around the TV after pigging out on Thanksgiving dinner....I really think we
would still be sitting there had Judy not cried "UNCLE". She stood up and said
"For goodness sakes people, lets save some of these questions for the NEXT
"Bluebird Day!"
The ritual after one of these is for "Hugs all around" the exchange of phone
numbers and e-mail and come see us.....
I keep telling you guys this is not so much about the bluebirds as it is
about the "BLUEBIRDERS"! KK
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 08:45:45 -0500
From: Janet Pesaturo janetpesaturo"at"attbi.com
To: Cornell BB list bluebird-l"at"cornell.edu
Subject: OT: environmental ed. for kids
Hi Everyone,
I just resubscribed to bluebird-l after taking a break since November when
things had quieted down on the list for the season. It's nice to see some new
names as well as the familiar ones, and more discussion now. I thought I'd write
something about my birding activities during the off-season.
Since I consider education to be one of the most important benefits of
activities such as nestbox monitoring and bird-feeding, I started a 4H birding
club last September in our town. I had never really worked with kids before, so
I kept the group small--six children ages 6 to 9. In the fall we set up 15
bluebird boxes, most on town conservation land and a few in a nearby wildlife
management area. Then, with the help of the woodworking club and some very
generous parents and friends, we built another 15 nestboxes which we will set up
in the spring. The children in the woodworking club are now curious about the
birds that will nest in their creations, and so I've invited them to come along
monitoring one day this spring. My own group will be monitoring with me all
season.
During the past few months, we spent most of our time indoors (it has been a
horrendously cold winter here in Mazzzchusetts). We did set up some bird feeders
on school grounds and hoped to do Classroom FeederWatch, but that didn't work
out, due to some technical difficulties with the school administration. So
instead, I've had to come up with other activities through which the kids could
learn something about wildlife and ecology. I relied on a couple of different
environmental curricula for children, consultation with a teacher friend, and my
own ideas for activities. Some activities have been wildly successful, while
others failed miserably. On the whole, I think the kids are having fun and are
learning something--at least they keep coming back to the meetings.
What has really amazed me is how moved some children are when they learn
about the effects on wildlife of widespread activities like pesticide use and
habitat degradation. They are sincerely distressed when they hear about the
declining numbers of some species, and, unlike many adults who perhaps know too
much to be optimistic, they seem to immediately want to channel their boundless
energy into something positive. For some reason adults often view any discussion
about what people have done to the environment as too much of a downer, while
children feel empowered to react constructively. Two of them like to talk about
their plans "to make a wildlife sanctuary" when they grow up. I know it's too
soon to say whether anything I've done with them will actually make a
difference, but maybe I've helped them become more environmentally aware, and
maybe someday one of them will do something significant for the natural world.
If anyone has any experience in environmental education for children, I'd
love to hear some suggestions. The trick for this age group (especially for the
boys who can't sit still for more than three seconds) seems to be to keep the
activities fun and fast-moving. I'd like to continue doing this next year, but
I'm running out of ideas, especially for the winter when we're often stuck
indoors.
Anyway, I thought I'd post something positive before involving myself in
controversy, before you have a chance to think "good grief, not her again". No
doubt you'll get that oportunity one day soon! :-) I'll try (but can't promise)
to make my next post shorter.
Oh, and thanks to everyone who engaged me in on- and off-list discussion last
year. I learned from every word of it and enjoyed it all tremendously. Looking
forward to more of the same. Now if you'll all excuse me, I have to go feed my "sparrers".
The poor little dears look so chilly out there! :-D
Janet Pesaturo
central MA
From: "Keith & Sandy Kridler" kridler"at"1starnet.com
To: "BLUEBIRD-L" BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re OT environmental ed. for kids
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 10:48:53 -0600
Keith Kridler Mt. Pleasant Texas
Janet is on the right track working with the students! Go out and get involved
with one of your schools or like Christy is with 4-H in Florida. I personally
prefer the fifth graders as they are dealing with environmental issues and your
showing up, showing a few photos of bluebirds and other cavity nesters and
explain why they need help and then show them how to build a simple nestbox and
they are now involved.
We are working with nestbox builders across our state and lumber prices seem
to be skyrocketing, lumber quality is dropping and mom and pop lumber stores are
disappearing fast, leaving mostly large chains with limited selections and
prices.
Municipal household/resturant garbage collections in the US ran over 160
million tons last year or more than 2,000 pounds per "city" person. Industrial
waste runs hundreds of millions more tons a year, which often includes lumber
and metal conduit/pipe which can often be had for FREE and we would be keeping
this from reaching the local landfill. EVERY "people" house being built has
enough lumber left over to build dozens of nestboxes. EVERY plumbing job has
short pieces of PVC pipe left over long enough for a nestbox. The first 6"
diameter PVC nestbox I built in 1975 is STILL being used by bluebirds!
Wafer board is now coming with a long term wax/oil cellulose coating to make
it a very durable exterior nestbox material IF you seal the edges. There are now
hundreds upon hundreds of "wafer board" plants across north America. Did you
know that the "standard" size wafer board plant is producing over 30 acres of
7/16" wafer board a day and enough to cover over 10,000 acres a year?
Did you know a "small" plywood mill requires over 10,000 acres of mature pine
trees a year to operate! These are facts and figures that you can share with
children and they can see the impact local businesses can have on their world.
Did you know that according to 9 th grade world geography books that Iraq &
Kuwait combined have 600 billion barrels of oil reserves, Saudi Arabia has 900
billion and the US & Alaska have only 39 billion?
Did you know 10 laying hens drink one gallon of water a day? Did you know an
8 piece chicken dinner at KFC is one chicken. Did you know it takes 5 gallons of
water to process a live chicken into an "8 piece dinner?" Did you know the "high
protein" chicken "by-products" in your high dollar dog/cat food are usually
cooked, ground up, powdered chicken feathers? Same goes for "high protein"
cattle and livestock food....
Anyway Sandy and I will be talking with 75 fifth graders, their teachers and
any invited adults that show up on Wednesday so I better go make some nestbox
kits and polish my cavity nester/predator and environmental impact sermon....I
have to cut it down to a "three hour limit" & it has to be geared and worded to
hold the attention of all of these hyper boys and girls who have a "three
minute" attention span. KK
From: "Snoopy" snoopy"at"wmis.net
To: kridler"at"1starnet.com, "BLUEBIRD-L" BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Re OT environmental ed. for kids
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 12:07:07 -0500
What a great idea... THANKS!!!
I was just putting together scrapbook layouts about my Blues and building houses
for them..... (avid scrapbooker here) I could send this stuff to school with my
two 5th graders (yup, I have twins) to show off and they could tell about
them.....they love my blues and help me clean the boxes out in the fall and go
with me while I am monitering my trail..... if they wanted to know more i could
go in and tell about it all!!!
joy in the boonies in michigan
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 12:27:59 -0500
From: bellzerr bellzerr"at"comcast.net
Subject: Re OT environmental ed. for kids
To: BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
I know the value of environmental ed. for kids and have done one Saturday
workshop where we built 35 nestboxes in three 40-minutes sessions (with electric
brad nailer in hand). My question is this. Some sources say if you aren't
willing to monitor properly, that you are more likely to do harm by increasing
the house sparrow population. We, of course, discussed monitoring and handed out
instruction sheets in our kid-workshop, but are kids likely to monitor their
boxes and DOES this matter in the grand scheme of things?
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 14:48:22 EDT
From: "Rwatts" rwatts"at"mymailstation.com
To: janetpesaturo"at"attbi.com, bluebird-l"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re:OT: environmental ed. for kids
Hi, Janet,
Re. environmental programs for kids--are you familiar with Project WILD, WILD
Aquatic, or Project Learning Tree? These have all sorts of activities for
various ages, physical and quiet. They are pretty well categorized in the
manuals, too, so you can select what you want easily. I'll see if I can find a
resource address on them, but since I got into all of these through 4-H, ask
your 4-H Extension agent about availability of the workshops, or at least
getting the manuals. (Maybe the county would set up a teacher/leader workshop,
if others besides you are interested!)
Ranger Rick magazine also used to have lots of science program teacher's
handbooks--I know there is a good one on birds, which I've used in my classroom
for years. I don't know whether you could still locate these books through the
National Wildlife Federation, which puts out Ranger Rick Magazine. Lots of
crafts, hands-on activities, etc.
Kids *love* bird identification books--mine get well-thumbed in the classroom
(g including the Birds of Great Britain and Northern Europe!) I have one book
which came with a tape of bird-songs; I usually have it as a learning center,
kid on a beanbag chair, book open, one species to a page, and the
tape player with headphones. They all but fight over that one!
Rhonda Watts
Wilton, N.H.
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If anyone has any experience in environmental education for children, I'd love
to hear some suggestions.
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From: "Chris Turnbow" cturnbow"at"midsouth.rr.com
To: "Bluebird Message Post" bluebird-l"at"cornell.edu
Subject: How to spark interest in BB conservation?
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 02:58:48 -0600
Would you all give me some suggestions as to how to get people interested in
BB conservation. I had hoped to encourage our neighbors to put up BB boxes and
maybe mealworm feeders. If we all put up two BB boxes and one mealworm feeder,
it would make quite a difference. We have scores of BBs out here, but this area
is undergoing a major growth serge, and these open fields won't last forever.
Not to mention the starling population is on the rise!! The boxes and mealworm
feeders will encourage the BBs to stick around and hopefully have more young.
We're still out in the country.
Why are people so disinterested? I just don't get it. I sent out a letter
proposing the idea, got a meager response. Sent those who emailed me the info I
had, and now they don't seem interested either. My presentation was good, the
interest just wasn't there. They are not environmentally inclined or educated.
It just isn't a blip on their horizon. So how do we change that??! I really
care about the BBs and I'm worried about them. What will happen when the rest of
these lots are sold. They are large lots and if coaxed (boxes and feeders) I
don't see why the BBs couldn't stay on.
Need all the suggestions and help you can give me here!! Thanks!
Talia
From: "judymellin" judymellin"at"netzero.net
To: "BLUEBIRD-L" BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re: How to spark interest in BB conservation?
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 07:28:20 -0800
Chris- You may think that what you are asking is not much but it is quite a
commitment. And, in my opinion, to ask people to let YOU put a box on their
property and maintain it is quite different from asking them to do the work AND
to feed.
I don't know where you are located geographically but, if you have been on
this list for any length of time, you'll know that feeding is regarded by many
as totally unnecessary.
So maybe you might want to change your focus and ask your neighbors for
permission to put up a few boxes on different properties. Then, if bluebirds use
the boxes, you will probably have instant converts when folks realize what a
wonder these birds are.
But please don't condemn your neighbors. Being a landlord is time-consuming
and can be heartbreaking. And you would not want them to make a commitment and
then stop doing it. That would only allow more nesting sites for house sparrows
and starlings.
Start small and see if you cannot arouse interest by bringing those wonderful
birds to peoples' lives.
Judy Mellin
NE IL.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Turnbow" cturnbow"at"midsouth.rr.com
To: "Bluebird Message Post" bluebird-l"at"cornell.edu
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 12:58 AM
Subject: How to spark interest in BB conservation?
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From: khussie"at"localnet.com
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:33:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: How to spark interest in BB conservation?
To: judymellin"at"netzero.net
Cc: BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Chris,
I also think you should change your approach from asking your neigbors to do it
to asking if you can put up boxes on their properties and check them regularly.
I started my trail on the local high school grounds, and got a science teacher
involved. Now it's part of her science class curriculum, and the kids love it
(still waiting for bluebirds but we had lots of tree swallows last year). My
problem is trying to convince people to keep up the hope because they've never
seen one before. I understand your dilemma. It's hard for people like you and I
to comprehend how others don't get as excited. My sister-in-law lived in a
bluebird-rich area for about 5 years (the first bluebird I ever saw was in their
yard on a cold winter day), and she nor her husband ever seemed slightly
interested in the birds. It's in the genes or something. Good luck!
Chris- You may think that what you are asking is not much but it is
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From: "Fawzi P. Emad femad <at> fpemad <dot> com
To: cturnbow"at"midsouth.rr.com,
"Bluebird Message Post" bluebird-l"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re: How to spark interest in BB conservation?
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:58:44 -0500
Dear Talia, I have asked my neighbors to allow me to mount nestboxes on their
property since my property is already saturated. So far, it has been quite
successful, but the weather has been quite nasty, so I have not yet mounted any
boxes in their yards. Here is how I do it.
First I have printed a letter (in color, see it at:)
http://audubon-omaha.org/bbbox/BBpermission2.pdf
and I take copies of the letter with me. I also have a "sign-up" sheet. On a
nice weekend day I walk to the neighbor's door and announce myself and the
purpose of my visit. Then after some talk, I show them the letter. Often the
wives are much more tuned to Bluebirds than their husbands. Most husbands, as
expected, support the wife's wish to accept my offer to mount a box, and we
agree on placement. They sign my sheet (giving name, phone number, street
address, and E-mail address.) As you see from the letter, the box remains my
property, and I will monitor it (unless the owner would monitor it for me after
I train her/him.) I also put the mounting post, predator guard (Kingston style)
and home-made nestbox for free. I enjoy making the boxes and mounting them. It
is also fun to know the neighbors better. Most important is I generate at least
25 Bluebirds babies in my yard, so next year they need new places to nest.
Almost all our neighbors have big yards with clearings full of mowed grass,
ideal for Bluebirds!
This year I plan to put up six new boxes. I'll put six more next year. I
think I want to test it six at a time...
Fawzi
Fawzi Emad in Laytonsville, Maryland
femad"at"comcast.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Turnbow" cturnbow"at"midsouth.rr.com
To: "Bluebird Message Post" bluebird-l"at"cornell.edu
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 3:58 AM
Subject: How to spark interest in BB conservation?
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:28:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Daniel Sparks b4bluebirds"at"yahoo.com
Subject: Landowner/monitor agreement
To: BLUEBIRD-L bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
Hi all,
I also feel that it is a better idea to ask a landowner, who owns land that
contains good bluebird habitat, if you can mount/monitor bluebird nestboxes on
their land rather than asking them to do it themselves.
Having said that, I also feel that there needs to be a written agreement
between the landowner and yourself. I have come to this thinking after having
many
nestboxes tampered with by well-meaning landowners. You're in a tricky position
because they were nice enough to allow you to use their land. I think that it is
important to have a clear understanding with the landowner concerning the
nestboxes.
What do you think?
=====
Dan Sparks
P.O. Box 660
Brown County Bluebird Society
Nashville, IN 47448
B4bluebirds"at"yahoo.com
From: "Bruce Burdett" blueburd"at"tds.net
To: b4bluebirds"at"yahoo.com, "BLUEBIRD-L" bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu,
WLInst"at"yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Landowner/monitor agreement
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 07:55:00 -0500
Dan Sparks, et al,
All the 32 landowners on whose property I have houses are people I know well,
and we have never thought it necessary to have a written agreement.
Word-of-mouth has always been sufficient. Only one of the 32 ever checks the
houses himself. The rest are all happy to let me do the necessary work. When
Charlie checks, he always calls me up to tell me what he's done and what he's
found. I've only had one case of vandalism in about 9 years. In that case,
somebody just smashed the boxes, - didn't even knock over the poles. It might
possibly have been a bear.
No landowner has ever "tampered" with the boxes, though sometimes they will
call to report activity.
A couple of old boxes that I took over were liberally peppered with
bird-shot, and had to be replaced. They were improper boxes to begin with, and
improperly located.
You're certainly right about asking permission in advance, however, and I
doubt that any of my landowners (except Charlie) would have any interest in
doing the work themselves. Some would be absolutely repelled by the very thought
of it. It's a foregone conclusion that I'll do all the work. Some landowners,
hearing of my project, have asked ME if I'd put houses on their land. One of
them was our local wildlife warden, and I had to refuse him because his tract is
too wooded.
On the legality question, nobody has ever questioned my activities from a
legal standpoint. For years I've had a sample nest, complete with eggs, as part
of my Bluebird presentation. (All had been abandoned by the birds, needless to
say.)
Bruce Burdett, SW NH
P.S.: A lady in our town believes that there are only two species of birds, -
"Robin red-breasts" and "Tweety-birds." She thinks that all these other names
people use are "just a pack of foolishness."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Sparks" b4bluebirds"at"yahoo.com
To: "BLUEBIRD-L" bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 2:28 AM
Subject: Landowner/monitor agreement
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To: b4bluebirds"at"yahoo.com, Bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
From: Mary Roen mbroen"at"pressenter.com
Subject: Re: Landowner/monitor agreement
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 07:30:10 -0600
Dan and all,
I also agree. Unless a landowner understands the necessity of monitoring,
having him/her put up boxes will probably do more harm than good. We all have
seen abandoned boxes that turn into house sparrow homes. By agreeing to, and
seeing the right way to care for the nest boxes, they may be willing to take the
boxes over themselves at some point, and then there is some assurance that the
motivation will be there to protect the Bluebirds.
Mary Roen
b4bluebirds"at"yahoo.com wrote:
Hi all,
I also feel that it is a better idea to ask a
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From: "judymellin" judymellin"at"netzero.net
To: "BLUEBIRD-L" bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Landowner/monitor agreement
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 07:32:33 -0800
I guess there are good and bad aspects to both formal and informal
agreements. I have been monitoring on public land for 13 years and got a letter
just yesterday that the Forest Preserve District of Cook County now wants us to
be licensed to check nest boxes.
While at this point the process does not seem onerous, it does mean more
rules and more accounting.
And, of course, more questions- many without answers- about what we can and
cannot do. For example, "voucher specimens may not be collected unless
explicitly stated on the FPCCC permit. All voucher specimens must be deposited
with the Illinois Natural History Survey unless otherwise permitted."
Now, we don't know yet if that means that ALL material at the end of nesting
season has to be boxed up and sent to a state agency or what we are to do with
dead adults/young found during the season.
I'm sure that, the more questions that are asked, the more regulations we
will have!
Judy Mellin
NE IL.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Sparks" b4bluebirds"at"yahoo.com
To: "BLUEBIRD-L" bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 11:28 PM
Subject: Landowner/monitor agreement
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From: "Burnham, Barbara" Barbara.Burnham"at"zzz.zzz
To: "'Chris Turnbow'" cturnbow"at"midsouth.rr.com,
Bluebird Message Post
bluebird-l"at"cornell.edu
Subject: RE: How to spark interest in BB conservation?
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:58:01 -0500
Talia,
If these people are so disinterested, would you really want them to have a
bluebird box, only to be inhabited by HOSP? Or worse, bluebirds killed by HOSP?
If there is a glimmer of interest, perhaps you could volunteer to monitor a
box on their property. However, realize that many uninformed people are appalled
at trapping or otherwise interfering with any species. If you volunteer to
monitor boxes for other people, make sure they understand up front what must
take place, and YOU own the boxes. Then, if they become HOSP hotels, you have
the right to remove them. Keep territory size in mind, too.
Mealworms can be very expensive, and not many people are inclined to grow
their own. Would they be feeding the growing starling population?
As you must know, it not just a matter of putting up a BB box or a feeder.
Minimal interest in bluebirds can be just as harmful. My neighbor, for example,
puts out "extra seed" for my "blue jays" especially when she knows there are
babies in the box. Some people you just can't help.
If anyone expresses an interest in blubirds, I give them a copy of "The
Bluebird Monitor's Guide" to read. I buy them by the carton. If they decide to
go ahead with bluebirding, they have an appropriate reference, and they will
have questions. Otherwise, they can return the book.
Keep trying Talia!
Barbara Burnham
Ellicott City, Maryland
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Turnbow [mailto:cturnbow"at"midsouth.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 3:59 AM
To: Bluebird Message Post
Subject: How to spark interest in BB conservation?
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From: "Bruce Burdett" blueburd"at"tds.net
To: judymellin"at"netzero.net, "BLUEBIRD-L" bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Landowner/monitor agreement
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:31:37 -0500
Judy, or anybody,
What on earth is a "voucher specimen?"
The procedures that Judy describes sound like the beginnings of Catch 22, or Big
Brother. I guess I just don't know how lucky I am here in NH not to have to
bother with all that bureaucratic interference and paperwork. I just do what I
need to do, and nobody pesters me about anything.
As a Conservation Commissioner I have to abide by and even enforce State and
local wetlands regulations. But those regulations are mostly very necessary and
reasonable. Without them, our wetlands would be catastrophically misused on a
daily basis, mostly by developers. How I choose to dispose of the inevitable
dead birds and abandoned nests and eggs in my houses should not be the State's
business.
Bruce Burdett, SW NH
----- Original Message -----
From: "judymellin" judymellin"at"netzero.net
To: "BLUEBIRD-L" bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: Landowner/monitor agreement
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:01:49 -0800
From: John Schuster wildwingco"at"earthlink.net
To: blueburd"at"tds.net
CC: judymellin"at"netzero.net, BLUEBIRD-L bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Landowner/monitor agreement
Dear Friends,
Kind of reminds me of the "Wilderness Pass" (issued during the Clinton
years), that imposes overbearing rules on visiting a National Forest lands (I
think it
has been overturn, but I haven't been to a National Forest for a few years.)
In short, you could drive through a National Forest, but you had to stay
inside your car and couldn't walk into the National Forest without having a
"Wilderness Pass" placed on the dash of your car for all to see.
Without the "Wilderness Pass" a ranger would tag you, but most rangers that I
spoke with told me that they thought "The Wilderness Pass" was a "silly idea"
that "the people own the parks" and they "should have the freedom" to "enjoy
these parks without restrictions." Also "The Wilderness Pass" turned the park
rangers into traffic cops and they didn't like that very much.
Happy Bluebird Trails To You,
John Schuster
Bruce Burdett wrote:
Judy, or anybody,
What on earth is a "voucher specimen?"
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:27:55 -0800
From: Linda Violett lviolett"at"earthlink.net
To: Bluebird-L"at"cornell.edu
Subject: Re: How to spark interest in BB conservation?
Linda Violett - Yorba Linda, Calif.
It may not be necessary to to have a formal written agreement when placing
nestboxes with landowners, but at least a clear understandings between the
monitor and the landowner should be made before placing a nestbox.
In addition to all the great posts, such as Barbara Burnham's, I like to add
that boxes in HOSP areas require a clear understanding that HOSP nests and eggs
will be removed. If the homeowner has children, you might want to monitor
problem boxes during school hours.
Some homeowners ask for a box while thinking of those beautiful blue birds
fluttering around their property. After nestbuilding begins in our crowded urban
conditions, homeowners face the reality of fecal deposits on their cars or
sidewalks. In my area, properties are only about 60 feet across and I've had to
relocate homeowner boxes because the *neighbors* had fecal deposits on their
cars.
Therefore, an understanding of timing is critical up front. Any active boxes
should remain on the property and removed only after the season has ended . . .
OR at your discretion,
Another part of the understanding should be feeders. One homeowner decided to
mount a millet seed feeder directly below the hanging box. In our urban area,
millet seed brings in house sparrows. The cooperative homeowners changed to
safflower seed, but rats came in.
Another part of the understanding should cover a change in occupancy. A
wonderful homeowner loved her bluebirds nesting in the front yard tree next to a
park. A few months ago she leased the house to a new occupant. When the new
occupant saw me monitoring the box, he asked that the box be removed so he could
trim the trees. The box was removed--but no trimming was done. :l
It is good to see that more monitors are retaining ownership of their boxes.
Generally, homeowner boxes and feeders in this urban area are not helping native
cavity nesters. Indeed, they are the source of our HOSP/rat problems. Therefore,
box ownership is critical. If a problem occurs, or an understanding is breached,
the box can be pulled back without question.
If a homeowner of unsuitable bluebird habitat asks for a bluebird box, why
not put up a small-holed box to see if their yard might attract
chickadees/nuthatches . . . or a large-holed box for owls/flickers.
"Burnham, Barbara" wrote:
Talia,
If you
volunteer to monitor boxes for other people, make sure they understand up
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