Nestboxes (Gourds)
In addition to Messages that have appeared in the Bluebird Mailing Lists
on this topic, the following are on the Audubon Society of Omaha website:
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:56:42 -0600
From: "Bill Darnell" bdarnell"at"centurytel.net
Subject: Bluebirds and Gourds, & crescent shaped holes
When you read that subject line, you probably think, "the nut has been
running with that Purple Martin crowd again." Well, actually, you are sort of
right. There are things to ponder over there.
Has anyone on this list ever used gourds for Bluebirds? I never hear it
mentioned. I keep hearing the gourd advocates say things like the HOSP don't
like gourds because they swing, etc. I noticed on their forum, a post mentioning
Blues and gourds, but have not heard from the author yet.
Another item the Martin people are mentioning is a crescent shaped hole,
which several think deters HOSP. Think of a 3" diameter circle, then cut it in
half with a line drawn across horizontally. Then measure down 1 3/16" from the
top, and draw another horizontal line. That space from the line to the top of
the circle is the hole. The hole would have to be 1 1/2" for the Bluebird
because the body is wider than I martin, I believe.
I am asking these questions because our list members seem to be more
realistic with claims than some others.
AFA gourds go, I realize they can cost even more than a nest box, and not
everyone on the list has room to grow them. However, I bought some nice looking
plastic ones for $3.50/each today.
Bill Darnell, never ceasing to question and wonder,
Savannah, TN where the Blues have come out of the woodwork today!
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:26:59 -0500
From: Lynn Emerich lemerich"at"epix.net
Subject: Re: Bluebirds and Gourds, & crescent shaped holes
Bill, I tried to get martins for years. I am in a "fair" location,
so I put up a wooden house with 10 partitions on a pole so I could lower it
to check. I hung a gourd on each corner of the house. The house was 18 ft
off the ground. I did have bb check out the house, but never saw any interest
in the gourds. A nearby nursery has bb nest in a martin house almost every
year. In 10 years neither one of us ever got martins. One man about 5 miles
from here gets them by the 100's every year. I had to show my wife, cause
she was beginning to think they didn't exist.
Lynn near Reading Pa.
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:23:02 -0600
From: "Keith & Sandy Kridler" kridler"at"1starnet.com
Subject: Gourds
Keith Kridler Mt. Pleasant, Texas
1971 was a bumper crop year for my gourds. My records show I made and hung
270+ gourds the next year. They work better for Martins since they only have one
nest per year. Bluebirds tend to fill up the gourds but they do let you know the
area where bluebirds are nesting and the gourds can be replaced with wood boxes.
The plastic gourds that can be taken apart would be OK but the regular gourds
are too hard to monitor and clean. Yes House Sparrows use gourds especially the
bigger ones over 8" cavity.
Crescent entrance hole: You might note that Purple Martin landlords are using
this and an oval entrance hole no larger than 1&3/16" tall X 2&1/2" wide and
this is only Starling resistant! Purple Martins are larger than bluebirds! Many,
many posts were telling about Starlings entering and killing martins going
through this narrow slot..... Remember the Peterson oval entrance is 3/16"
bigger than the ones they are having so much trouble with Starlings being able
to enter! We should all stick to a round entrance hole no larger than 1&9/16" to
be sure Starlings cannot enter our boxes. KK
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:47:08 EST
From: "Kevin Bloom" kjbloom20"at"hotmail.com
Subject: gourds
To all who are, like me, falling in love with purple martins... I have a
question on the pricing of gourds. Does anyone know the cheapest place to
purchase plastic gourds or any kind for that matter. I am looking for a spot on
my place to erect a Martin house. Most likely will be purchasing it from the
Purple Martin Society. Thank you to all who reply.
Kevin Bloom
Sunbury PA (55 miles North of Harrisburg)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:37:18 -0800
From: Gail Townsend gailtown"at"intercomm.com
Subject: Gourd houses
Making bird houses from gourds seems to be a craze out here. Do gourds make
good bird houses?
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:44:16 -0500
From: "Keith & Sandy Kridler"
Subject: gourds
Keith Kridler Mt. Pleasant, Texas While many bird species will use gourds
to nest in they cannot be cleaned out very well or only with a lot of effort.
They are normally fairly thin so offer little in the way of insulation from
heat or cold. They make better looking bird feeders than nestboxes. By drilling
three "entrance" holes in the gourds and filling them with sunflower
seeds the gourd will make an attractive feeder. These MUST be on squirrel
proof poles! If you hang the gourds in full shade they can be used safely
all summer even in hot climates. Not the best choice in nesting boxes but
a good project for kids to grow their own birdhouses for next year so they
learn about plants and birds at the same time. Gourds are brittle and a raccoon
can open them to get at nesting birds. Probably will look better decorated
and sitting on the mantel :-) Others may want to share their thoughts on
the plastic gourds that are more durable and can be cleaned. KK
Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:29:56 -0500
From: "Bill Darnell"
Subject: Re: gourds
Just had to chime in on the gourds subject. Unk and I have nearly two acres of
gourds this year. If nothing catastrophic happens, we will have enough for a lot
of martins, etc. Some of our largest are 35 inches in circumference! About an
11" cavity!
Martineers who use gourds are now using a large mouth plastic jug top for a
cleanout hole. They cut about two inches below the top of the jug, leaving four
tabs for screws or rivets, cut a hole to correspond in the back of the gourd,
fix in place with screws or rivets, then silicon seal around the plastic. This
hole than can be used for cleanout and nest checks.
One of the latest innovations is to use only the bigmouth top. One fellow is
cutting the entrance hole in the lid.
This can be adapted to Bluebirds easily. This winter, I am going to use some
smaller gourds for Bluebirds using smaller jars, and cutting the entrance in the
lid also. Of course, this will be experimental, but I think it should work. The
lid would allow nest checks, and a stiff wire could be used to clean out if the
hole will not admit a large hand.
If you use gourds, be sure to drill several drain holes in the bottom. As for
insulation, I slightly disagree with Keith in that they don't insulate well. A
big natural gourd has a lot of painted white seems to be cooler than you would
think. And yes, a determined Owl can bite a chunk out of the entrance hole. But
I don't think an owl would be attracted to one lone gourd. Martineers do have a
lot of trouble with them in their colonies. Gourds have been treated with
Thompson's water seal, and another which escapes me, but they have been know to
last for as much as 30 years in a Martin Colony.
More info and ideas on gourds can be found at www.purplemartin.org . Look for
articles archives. Sorry to be so long. I will keep posted on my gourd
experiments. Hanging would be a snap because a natural gourd is so light.
Bill
Savannah, TN
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 11:46:07 -0500
From: "Brian Scarlett" scarlett"at"shore.net
Subject: Gourd Housing
I have obtained a large, hollow gourd which is supposed to be adequate
housing for bluebirds. It has holes in the bottom for drainage, no entry perch
but a stick inserted horizontally at the top for hanging and a one and a half
inch entry hole. Is any self respecting bluebird going to want to live in it or
have I been had? A.M.S., coastal Mazzzchusetts
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:38:43 EST
From: ChessyPin"at"aol.com
Subject: BB super gourd
I was very lucky to receive a BB gourd this year for Christmas. Has anyone tried
this yet and if so how did it compare to the wooden BB houses? I'm very excited
to see how this works out at my house. I have had 1 pair nest in my yard for the
pass 2 years. Each time they had 3 sets of eggs.
Thanks Pat
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 08:45:10 -0600
From: "Gilliam, Jay" GILLIAMJT"at"phibred.com
Subject: Gourd Birdhouses
I read Bill's recent Message about using gourds as birdhouses and would like
to share what I do with gourds. A few years back I grew a bunch of gourds (ended
up with a couple hundred of them) because I wanted to try to attract Purple
Martins with them. I got only a few gourds that were large enough, in my
opinion, to use for Purple Martins. So I started painting the rest of them with
nature-type scenes and various birds to use for decoration and for gifts. I also
left a bunch of them plain (or stained them) and put a couple of coats of poly
on them to see if any backyard birds would use them.
The House Wrens really took to the hanging gourd houses, occupying almost
everyone I put out. Since I have a problem with House Wrens along some parts of
my bluebird trail (near timber edges), I decided to hang a bunch of gourds along
these timber edges so (hopefully) the House Wrens wouldn't take over my bluebird
nestboxes. For the most part, the House Wrens took the gourds and left the
nestboxes alone. There were still a couple of nestboxes that had dummy stick
nests built in them so I am going to move these further away from the timber
this season. I found this is an inexpensive way to deter House Wrens from
nestboxes in areas where House Wrens are a problem.
Jay Gilliam
Norwalk, IA
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:23:20 -0600
From: "Bill Darnell" bdarnel3"at"bellsouth.net
Subject: Gourds to birdhouses
Several have written since I posted the mail about my spring cleaning asking
about "gourds to birdhouses."
Some are even interested in Purple Martins. Here is a site which takes the
"gourd to birdhouse" from the first step to the last in easy written and
pictorial form. Although it is done here primarily for martins, just remember
you will probably be using smaller gourds, and a Bluebird sized hole, which is
about the only change.
Remember, I am not advocating switching from boxes to gourds, but it seems to
me to be a cheap, easy thing to try,not only for bluebirds but other cavity
nesters as well. Use your imagination! Gourds seem to be a good substitute for
"hanging boxes."
This site is done by Chuck Abare, a birder who puts Purple Martins and
Bluebirds welfare at the top!
http://home.hiwaay.net/~yankee1/canopy.htm
Enjoy,
Bill Darnell
Savannah, TN
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:12:10 EST
From: PJoh209235"at"aol.com
Subject: Re: Gourds to birdhouses
Bill,
I have a bb gourd that I was given as a Christmas gift. It is just like the
super gourds that I have for my Martins. I can't wait to see if it will attract
my Bb's. I just put it up today.
Pat
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:45:00 -0500 (EST)
From: BluDahlia"at"webtv.net (George Newberger)
Subject: Re:Gourds to Birdhouses
Hi Bill and all; Your discussion on using gourds for birdhouses has been
interesting since I'm in the process of completing a gourd housing unit.One
question I have is -- are Martins compatable with Bluebirds ? I have an idea
that they are since my neighbors Barnswallows (about 1000 ft. away ) come down
to my place when I'm mowing the lawn and make sweep after sweep---and the Blues
dont seem to mind a bit.
Another point --- Last winter about this time ,I was
cleaning the seeds out of some gourds which were from the previous summers
crop ; but had been outside on the trellis all winter--so I thought they were
dry. When I dug the seeds out they were damp and a pungent odor was
present--undaunted I kept on with the task. As a result I ended up with a king
size "high" that lasted for several hours. And the warning label didn't allude
to this toxicity at all. Is this a common problem, or do I have a strain of
gourds that contain a controlled substance? George N E Ohio
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 07:23:04 -0600
From: "Keith & Sandy Kridler" kridler"at"1starnet.com
Subject: bluebirds, martins & gourds
Keith Kridler Mt. Pleasant, Texas
From 19651972 I used various styles of gourds for bluebirds almost
exclusively. I was not allowed to use power saws to cut boards and had no money
for wood anyway. Bluebirds would use gourds readily down to sizes smaller than
4" round cavities. Some gourds were even 3" & really placed for chickadees but
were also used by bluebirds. These were scattered around nearby farms and when
hung from low hanging branches of large trees in open fields (six to eight feet
off the ground), the gourds often contained bluebird nests at the end of summer.
These were a hang up and let nature take it's course sort of operation. I did go
around and knock the wasp nests out of them on occasion.
I never cleaned them but hung up new ones the next year leaving the old ones
up. Some trees ended up with 3 or 4 gourds in various stages of decline. I did
see in winter once that all 4 gourds on a massive oak had roosting birds in them
on a single evening just past sundown.1972 my records show I hung up 279 gourds.
They do contain various molds and mildews inside and outside so you could
possibly have a reaction when cleaning them although I never did. It takes
almost a full year for gourds to dry completely! We hung larger gourds (6"12")
for Purple Martins from the four corners of our three wood martin houses and
often had bluebirds either nesting in the gourds or the main house along with
about 100 purple martins with very little problems.
For those people with active martin houses if you mount a wood bluebird box
with a 5"x5" bottom and standard 6" 7" deep floor to bottom of hole to the
martin pole "at" eye level you can often catch all of the house sparrows in this
box without lowering the whole martin house to remove a sparrow nest. The
martins will often drive the sparrows to use the lower box and often the
sparrows will prefer the box with the smaller sized hole. KK
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 07:22:10 -0600
From: "Bill Darnell" bdarnel3"at"bellsouth.net
Subject: Re:Gourds to Birdhouses
... Gourds ferment sometimes, and they have been known to actually explode!
They can smell awful at a certain time, and if you try to dry them in the basement
or anyplace inside the house, you are sure to get an unpleasant smell. I have
never heard of a "high" though! :-)
Gourds are a fun plant and pretty easy to grow. They need fertile soil, and
adequate moisture, and the larger ones need a long growing season. Chuck Abare's
Purple Martin site has a lot of great gourd info.
http://home.hiwaay.net/~yankee1/
Here is a better link to Chuck's pages for turning a gourd into a birdhouse.
Just remember to use a Bluebird sized hole!
Bill
Savannah, TN
http://home.hiwaay.net/~yankee1/birdhous.htm
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:34:57 -0400
From: "Robert L. Richerson" robrich"at"kih.net
Subject: New artificial gourds for Bluebirds
Hi guys:
I just received today a Bluebird SuperGourd set with hanging post from the
PMCA. The link is http://www.purplemartin.org/shop/Otherhouses1.html , and just
click on the Bluebird SuperGourd and Hanging Post icon under the photo.
This seems to be a great artificial gourd for Bluebirds and makes for quick
nest checks. It is white to help with heat, etc. The PMCA make the best
artificial gourds for Purple Martins, and this seems to be great also. It is
expensive compared to alot of Bluebird housing, but...
Let me know what you think after you check it out. I will let you know how
the Bluebirds accept it.
Thanks,
Robert
Kentucky
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 07:09:06 -0500
From: "dottie price" yumyumkatts"at"voyager.net
Subject: Bluebird Supergourds
Has anyone started using the Bluebird Supergourds that PMCA is offering on
their web site? I'm going to get one and try it. PMCA said it was approved by
NABS.
Dottie, Brown County, Indiana
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 09:46:16 EDT
From: ChessyPin"at"aol.com
Subject: Re: Bluebird Supergourds
Hi,
I have the Bluebird super gourd. My Bb's have shown (so far) no interest in
it. However the Purple Martins seem very interested. They just don't understand
that the hole is just to small for them to enter. lol
This is my first year using one and I only have one pair of Bb's so I can't
say one way or the other if the Bb's will accept one. I hope they will!
Pat
From: "tmeier"
tmeier"at"bright.net
Subject: Gourds
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 17:39:55 -0700
Hi!
I'm a new subscriber and just wanted to share my story.
We live in the country a few miles from Lima, Ohio. Several years ago I grew
birdhouse gourds and put them out with wren size holes. I had quite a few wrens
take up residence for a few years, then just left the gourds in place. They got
pretty beat up.
This spring, in a very small gourd whose hole had grown larger over the
years, I had a pair of bluebirds decide to nest there. This is in a tree about
20 feet from our front door, right next to our driveway. I could't believe it.
They raised 2 broods this summer and I thoroughly enjoyed watching them from my
front window. Every morning when I go out to get the morning paper there are 3
to 8 bluebirds sitting on the utility wire.
I'm anxiously awaiting next year to see if they come back as I've gotten
several bluebird houses and hope to have them occupied! This was the first time
in the 8 years we've lived here that I've ever notived bluebirds in our area.
Trish Meier
Lima, Ohio
From: "tmeier"
tmeier"at"bright.net
Subject: Gourds
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 18:13:37 -0700
Mandy,
Yes, It's great to have wrens, I love to watch them. The only downfall is at
5:00 in the morning before daylight when they start singing right outside your
window!!!
I have my gourds wired to the tree so they don't move around. It get pretty
windy out here, so this method works best for me.
Trish Meier
From: "Bonnie A. Yeager"
dement"at"frognet.net
Subject: Super Gourd Nestbox
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 16:42:55 -0500
Has anyone tried a Super Gourd bluebird nest box? If so, what did you think
of it? Check it out on the following web site:
http://shop.purplemartin.org/shopsite/purplem/supergourdb.html
Fred Yeager
SE, OH
From: "Dottie, Hickory Hollow, Brown County, Indiana"
yumyumkatts"at"voyager.net
Subject: Bluebirds, Martins and Others
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:40:30 -0500
Yesterday I put up a Bluebird supergourd 15 feet from the Bluebird nest box
by my house. Mr. Bluebird has been coming almost every day to guard "his" nest
box. I wonder what he will think when he sees this new thing. Decisions,
decisions.
We had our first Bluebird Club meeting for the year last week and I took my
new Bluebird Supergourd to show everyone. Everyone found it most interesting and
are wondering if I will get Bluebirds to nest in it. I told them I would let
them know next meeting who decides to make it "home". Maybe a Tree Swallow will.
But that's OK as I'm hoping for the "Trio". I also got up the Petersen's box
that I won at the Bluebird Club picnic last year. Paired it with another
Bluebird box that I had trouble with last year. A Tree Swallow chased off the
mom Bluebird which left four eggs abandoned. The Tree Swallow put one of the
"feathers from Heaven" right on top of the eggs. I took the feather out but Mom
BB never came back.
My "death trap" martin house has been remolded into six compartments instead
of twelve. Nice and big. Two brand new crescent holed supergourds are hanging on
"arms" on each side. Dawnsong is playing and the sun is up. The Martins are
really "talking". Wonder what the other birds think. Wild Birds Unlimited
(Columbus, IN) told me that the manufacturer has quit making these kind of
martin houses.
I just checked the Purple Martin site and Martin scouts were seen in
Evansville and St. Joseph, Indiana (south of me) on February 25. So they are
getting close. My husband heard a scratching sound yesterday coming from a
drainpipe and a Starling had gotten trapped in there. My husband got him out and
he sure was a happy bird. He also found a dead one in there, tho.
I saw "my" Red Shouldered hawk yesterday as I was leaving to go to Church. I
think it was the female again as it came over the lake and flew around the side
of the house--probably coming back to the same tree where it has a good view of
the feeder tray. A smorgasbord?
The Hummingbirds should be arriving next month. Have to stock up on sugar.
Good Birding,
Dottie, Hickory Hollow
Brown County, Indiana
(50 miles south of Indianapolis)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 06:56:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Third EABL nesting in a Purple Martin super gourd
To: BLUEBIRD BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Hi all,
A sprawling loose EABL nest is in a super gourd that has a Starling resistant
crescent shaped entrance hole. This is the 3rd nest this year for this
particular pair of EABL (4 eggs in the nest). There were plenty of nestboxes
available and this pair had used two different nestboxes previously before
choosing the gourd. Out of the 16 gourds available, 8 are natural and 8 plastic.
All but 3 gourds had standard entrance holes for PUMA. She chose the smaller
crescent shaped entrance hole.... Pretty smart Mom.
Have a good day
Bob Sitarski a.k.a The Doctor
...
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 17:41:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: EABL even nesting in gourds 8 feet high in Indiana
To: BLUEBIRD BLUEBIRD-L"at"cornell.edu
Hey all, I am trying to start a Purple Martin colony in Indiana. Last year
TRES took over two of three gourd racks (8 gourds per rack). This year I paired
single gourds with nestboxes and only put up two gourd racks. I had hoped to
attract the TRES to the single gourds instead of the gourd racks. Amazingly, the
EABL appear to be nesting in two of the single gourds (mounted at 8 feet high)
even though there is a nestbox (mounted at 6 feet high) less than 10 feet away.
This has been an extremely surprising Spring so far on the contracted Indiana
trail.
Bob Sitarski a.k.a The Doctor...
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:40:40 -0400
From: "Mark Diroff" DiroffM"at"michigan.gov
Subject: plastic PurpleMartin supergourds
I've done a simple conversion to the entrance hole of my gourds by using a
length of PVC pipe with an 1 ½" I.D. and a caulking gun to cement the pipe in
the 2" entrance hole. It seems to be very strong. Now will need to see if the BB
accept these gourds as readily as wooden homes.
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:43:55 -0400
From: "Mark Diroff" DiroffM"at"michigan.gov
Subject: to pre-fill nest materials of not?
I am trying Plastic supergourds this year that I have modified with an 1½"
entrance hole. Will I have better success I attracting BB if I prefill the gourds
with some grass or should I leave them empty and let the birds do all the
work?
From: "Dottie, Hickory Hollow, Brown County, Indiana"
yumyumkatts"at"voyager.net
Subject: Re: to pre-fill nest materials of not?
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:59:28 -0500
I have a BB supergourd up for two seasons now. It's paired with a regular
BB nest box. So far the Bluebirds have ignored it and took the regular BB
nest box. Tree Swallows did the same thing, ignored the supergourd and took
a BB nest box.
Dottie, Hickory Hollow
Brown County, Indiana
(50 miles south of Indianapolis)
Lat: 39.371N Lon: 86.261W Zone 5 Elevation: 680 ft
From: "Bill Darnell" bdarnel3"at"bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: to pre-fill nest materials of not?
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:12:11 -0500
My experience using plastic gourds for Martins is it really seems to help if
you put some pre-nesting materiel inside. I use either pine needles, or cedar
shavings. I have never had Bluebirds in plastic, but a friend who uses some
"Sliding Silos" which are plastic, swears by pre-nesting materiel.
I have no scientific basis for this, but it seems the birds like traction for
their feet and hard plastic gives none.
Bill
TN
From: Evelyn Cooper, emcooper"at"bayou.com
Sent: Saturday, January
17, 2004 3:48 PM T
Subject: Gourds For Bluebirds Nest
I would
like some in put on putting out gourds for Bluebirds and other cavity nesting
birds. I would like all the pros and cons. I know we promote nestboxes and
I've had a request to help with gourds, but I told the lady we do nestboxes.
I can think of several reasons against them on my own, but want to hear some
of yours. One I can think of is where it is placed (predators) I saw one
hanging under the overhang of a roof and it had a clutch of Bluebirds in it.
It would take a lot of doing for a predator to get to it, but it would be possible.
I was thinking snakes when I said it would take some doing for it to get
to it. I don't have House Sparrows and Starlings and they would be very happy
to nest in it. Evelyn
From: Dottie, Hickory Hollow, Brown County, Indiana, yumyumkatts"at"voyager.net
Sent:
Saturday, January 17, 2004 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: Gourds For
Bluebirds Nest
People put them hanging from trees here. I haven't heard of
a snake getting into a gourd but I'm sure it is quite possible.
Dottie, Hickory Hollow Brown County, Indiana
From: Evelyn Cooper, emcooper"at"bayou.com
Sent: Saturday,
January 17, 2004 6:56 PM
RE: Gourds For Bluebirds Nest
You must not have
snake problems like we do. Also, I have squirrels in my back yard that climb
down the limb to the feeder and I saw one hit the ground and feeder fell
too. Anything to nest in hanging on a limb, would definitely be snake food
where I live. Evelyn Cooper Delhi, LA.
From: Keith & Sandy
Kridler, txbluebirder"at"sbcglobal.net
Sent: Saturday, January
17, 2004 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: Gourds For
Bluebirds Nest Keith Kridler Mt. Pleasant, Texas
Gourds were cheap at one time
but now they often cost more than a home made wood nestbox. You can't clean
out the natural gourds very easily for bluebirds. Wasps really like to build
a nest up in the neck of gourds. Limited ways to mount the gourd. Thinner
walls nearly always mean less insulation properties. It takes a full year to
grow and dry them and no guarantee of a crop. Most of the cavity nesting birds
will use them. Squirrels like to enlarge the holes in them. They can last for
years but large predators can tear most of them apart. They are very light
and easy to carry. They would make a starter box & if you got cavity
nesting birds you could replace the gourd with a nestbox the next year.
I made gourd bird houses by the hundreds when I was young and you can make
one with a hole saw and a hand drill in just a few minutes. KK
From: Tony Berg, w1vah"at"yahoo.com
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004
6:44 AM
Subject: Plastic Gourds For Bluebirds
Plastic
gourds for bluebirds are available as an alternative to natural gourds. One
model is shown at . A 1-1/2" hole
can be drilled in a blank door insert for a gourd shown at <www.plasticraftmfg.com/gourd1.htm>.
From: Dottie, Hickory Hollow, Brown County, Indiana [mailto:yumyumkatts"at"voyager.net]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 2:40 PM
Subject: Finally Happened BBs & TRES
Just this morning I had two Tree Swallows swooping over and seriously checking
out the BB supergourd I have paired for them 15' from my BB nest box and close
by my Martin gourd rig. All of this is right by my house. I
ordered this BB supergourd from PMCA two years ago and this is the first time
Tree Swallows or anything have taken a serious interest in it. But
today the Tree Swallows are furiously making a nest in the BB supergourd. They
have been busy all morning. I took out some white feathers and threw
them up in the air to them but they didn't swoop to get them. However,
the feathers landed near the BB supergourd so they are there if the Tree Swallows
want them. This BB supergourd is on a shepherd's hook. It doesn't
have a predator guard but it looks like I'll have to put on one now. Now, if
the Martins would just come and take the Martin gourds, I would be all set with
the Trio. I haven't seen any Martins yet. Dawn Song playing.
Dottie, Hickory Hollow
From: USAjs88"at"aol.com [mailto:USAjs88"at"aol.com]
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 9:07 PM
Subject: SuperGourd bluebird gourd
Has anyone ever had any luck using the SuperGourd bluebird gourd. Its sold
at the PMCA's website. http://www.purplemartin.org/shop/catalog.html
J.S. Dillon
Tallahassee, Florida
From: Dottie, Hickory Hollow, Brown County, Indiana [mailto:yumyumkatts"at"voyager.net]
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: SuperGourd bluebird gourd
Yep, I have a BB supergourd paired with a BB nest box. The BB's have never
taken it but the Tree Swallows like it. I got it from PMCA and have it hanging
on a shepherds hook.
Dottie, Hickory Hollow
From: Vito and Linda Schiavone [mailto:nanuk"at"epix.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 10:43 AM
Subject: Bluebird gourd
Has anyone tried using gourds for bluebird housing, such as the bluebird SuperGourd? If so, did you have any luck? I've seen these on the internet, and was wondering if they worked. The company states that they are approved by the NABS. Any info would be great.
Thanks,
Linda
Roseto PA
From: Bruce Burdett [mailto:blueburd"at"verizon.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: Bluebird gourd
Linda,
My first question about the Super Gourds, - or any gourds, - would be : "Can they be easily opened, monitored, and cleaned out?" I've never used one, though I gather that they're used a lot for Purple Martins.
Bruce Burdett, SW NH
From: Evelyn Cooper [mailto:emcooper"at"bayou.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:48 AM
Subject: RE: Bluebird gourd
From what I understand the Super Gourd is used by many people.
Gourds grown from seed are not recommended.
However, I have a cute story. My grandson and his wife bought their first
little home. It already had home grown gourds hanging from the eves on the
east side, making it nice and shady in the afternoon. Last summer it raised
Bluebirds and they could sit in the swing on their porch and enjoy them.
He got a ladder and climbed up and cleaned them out this spring, pulled the
stuff out patiently. They've got Bluebirds again. He called me not long ago
when he saw in our latest newsletter Kenny K's nestboxes attached to a
barber wire fence and wanted to know did I think he could do his that way on
his fence not far away. His plan is to do so. I am so glad he is interested.
I will help him.
Evelyn Cooper
Delhi, LA
From: Chuck Jensen [mailto:cjensen"at"dts9000.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 12:25 PM
Subject: RE: Bluebird gourd Bruce,
Yes, they can be easily inspected. The newer PM gourds have a screw lid molded in that's about the size of gallon mayonnaise jar-5". PMs love gourds and TRES will take to them to a degree, but I've not heard any BB nesting in them reported. Of course, the PM landlords jack them 15'-20' in the air and don't open them until the martins arrive, so they aren't trying too hard to attract them!
Chuck
From: Bruce Burdett [mailto:blueburd"at"verizon.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: Bluebird gourd
Chuck, Linda, et al,
The Super Gourds I found via Yahoo! (with picture) cost $155 for a case of 12, presumably plus postage. That sounds a little steep to me.
Bruce Burdett
From: Dottie, Hickory Hollow, Brown County, Indiana [mailto:yumyumkatts"at"voyager.net]
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 3:50 PM
Subject: BB Supergourd
I just found four BB eggs in my BB supergourd that hangs on a shepherd's hook.
First time the BB's have used the supergourd. I have a few empty BB nest boxes, too. One BB nest box just 15' away from the supergourd.
Dottie, Hickory Hollow
From: Linda [mailto:linyl"at"alltel.net]
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 5:28 PM
Subject: Fw: BB Supergourd
What does your BB super gourd look like?--drainage holes, ventilation, etc.?
From: Dottie, Hickory Hollow, Brown County, Indiana [mailto:yumyumkatts"at"voyager.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 9:41 AM
Subject: Four BB Nests
I have another BB nest. That makes four BB nests with three nest having five BB eggs each. The last nest was built in the BB supergourd which is paired with a BB box so the TRES will have to take the box--if they come back this year.
If the BB's in the supergourd lay five eggs, then that will make me 20 BB eggs for the first nesting and that's real good for me so I guess we won over the HOSP after all.
By-the-way, when taking out a HOSP nest from one of the boxes, it had a BB feather in it. Insult to injury or what.
Dottie, Hickory Hollow
Brown County, Indiana
From: Keith & Sandy Kridler [mailto:txbluebirder"at"sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 8:10 AM
Subject: gourd birdhouse experiment
Keith Kridler Mt. Pleasant, Texas 80's *F during the day 60's at night. We are seeing Luna moths every couple of nights. Thousands of crane flies each night, June bugs are already active. If you stand under elm trees the leaf roller caterpillars are dropping down out of these trees on silken threads by the hundreds. Earthworms and night crawlers are under every pile of leaves.
We built a 20 foot by 20 foot grape arbor for a doctor this past winter. I installed 6 different sized gourd birdhouses hanging on the arbor with the gourds 10 feet apart down two sides 7 feet or higher off the ground. Gourds ranged in size from 4" round to 8" round to 12" bottoms. Depth was 8" to 4"
deep. The bluebirds have five eggs in the 4" round bottom gourd with the 1&1/2" round hole. Half the gourds had 1&3/4" round holes to attract Great Crested Flycatchers.
Nice thing about gourds is that in the south you can grow them by the hundreds with a little water. They come in all different sizes and styles so that if you want you can experiment with all different floor sizes and depths. You have to check through the entrance hole for egg and baby bird counts. We use them as disposable nestboxes and the old ones filled with old nests can be moved and rehung in fence rows for use by field mice, bumble bees or wasps. You can move old gourds to the deep woods and these will be re-used by flying squirrels or other species of squirrels if the gourds are large enough. If you have a successful nesting you can put up wood nestboxes nearby or simply leave the old gourd and add another close by. In large oak trees way out in the middle of pastures I have had three gourds on one tree used during one season by bluebirds.
Gourds seem to be very popular roosting sites for chickadees and titmice.
They prefer the gourds to be hanging off of the ends of limbs on very large trees. We try to choose a tree and a limb so that a predator would have to climb 10 to 20 feet to reach the main limb. Then choose a tree with a really wide crown so that the gourd is actually 20 to 40 feet from the main trunk.
The last three years we have not had a single gourd broken apart by a coon or possum when mounted like this. Fire ants now have to crawl at least forty feet to reach a nestbox.
We planted 110 hills of gourds on the back fence the last two years using 500 feet of drip irrigation. This allowed our Master Gardner group to give away more than a 1,000 bird house gourds last year with 2,000 sheets of bluebird information printed on both sides. KK
From: Dottie [mailto:yumyumkatts"at"voyager.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 11:01 AM
Subject: FW: gourd birdhouse experiment
I just put up two supergourds yesterday paired for BB's and Tree Swallows.
These supergourds are Purple Martin gourds that I had on hand. I'm using
crescent holes to see how they work out.
I have BB supergourds up already for the last few years and BB's have nested in them and seem to like them.
I have my BB supergourds on shepherd's hooks. The only bad thing is that I
can't figure out how to put a predator guard on them. I do grease the
hooks and, so far, no problem.
...
Dottie, Hickory Hollow
Brown County, Indiana
From: Duane Rice [mailto:drbirdsong4"at"hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 5:49 PM
Subject: RE: FW: gourd birdhouse experiment
Dottie,
I didn't have much luck with my gourd experiment last year. I suppose I gave them too many alternatives.
Don't go by me though, I've heard plenty of stories about the BB's using them, time after time.
...
Other the other hand, lots of nest building going on and I have eggs in three boxes.
Bluebirds Abound!
DR
From: Tree Greenwood [mailto:doctree"at"crosslink.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 1:01 AM
Subject: Re: gourd birdhouse experiment
On Wed 28 Mar 2007 at 07:10, "Keith Kridler"
<txbluebirder"at"sbcglobal.net> wrote, in part:
> ... Nice thing about gourds is that in the south you can grow them by
> the hundreds with a little water. ..
Hi, Keith and everyone,
You can grow 'birdhouse' and other large gourds up north with a little extra effort. Black plastic over hills will warm the earth early and allow a good crop of gourds except in the far north. I know of a couple of folks in southern Canada who start vines in greenhouses in paper or peat pots to prevent transplant shock (Gourds do NOT like their roots disturbed).
> .. They come in all different sizes and styles so that if you want you
> can experiment with all different floor sizes and depths. ..
You can also snip off most of the smaller gourds to get a few really large ones with thick walls. That's my usual practice since I grow them primarily for Purple Martin housing. I invariably miss a few and have some smaller ones for Wrens.
> You have to check through the entrance hole for egg and baby bird
> counts. ...
Unless you add access ports. I used to use tops cut off of cat food and gallon mayonniase jugs but now buy them http://www.sk-mfg.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=SMIOTBPBH&Product_Code=AP&Category_Code=PMAcc
I use PPCA ("premium poly-something-or-other construction
adhesive") to glue them on rather than Lexel because it's less expensive and does the job. I paint the inside of my access ports with a dark color of Krylon, a spray that's designed to adhere to plastics.
If I start with a large, thick-walled gourd, I generally many years of service from it. Actually, I always break them before they wear out or rot.
Read http://www.abirdshome.com/pm/grdpg2.htm#Basics and the ten additional pages about gourds for everything you could possibly want to know about growing gourds and using them as housing for Purple Martins.
> We use them as disposable nestboxes and the old ones filled with old
> nests can be moved and rehung in fence rows for use by field mice,
> bumble bees or wasps. You can move old gourds to the deep woods and
> these will be re-used by flying squirrels or other species of
> squirrels if the gourds are large enough. ...
I used to just compost my small ones that were used by Wrens. I never thought of putting them out for other critters. Great idea.
> Gourds seem to be very popular roosting sites for chickadees and
> titmice. They prefer the gourds to be hanging off of the ends of limbs
> on very large trees.
> We try to choose a tree and a limb so that a predator would have to
> climb 10 to 20 feet to reach the main limb. Then choose a tree with a
> really wide crown so that the gourd is actually 20 to 40 feet from the
> main trunk. The last three years we have not had a single gourd broken
> apart by a coon or possum when mounted like this. Fire ants now have
> to crawl at least forty feet to reach a nestbox.
I try to hang dozens of small gourds out front to keep a pesky male House Wren busy every summer. He spends all his time stuffing all those gourds with sticks and never gets to the back of the house where the Bluebird boxes are located.
> We planted 110 hills of gourds on the back fence the last two years
> using 500 feet of drip irrigation. This allowed our Master Gardner
> group to give away more than a 1,000 bird house gourds last year with
> 2,000 sheets of bluebird information printed on both sides. KK
Amazing! Vines from three or four hills threaten to take over my whole place. I get a couple of really big gourds from each vine, three or four vines per hill, plus a bunch of smaller gourds that I miss when pruning the vines to force growth to a few big ones.
As I've gotten older, I'm starting to avoid the work involved in making gourds into birdhouses. The majority of gourds that I've hung for this year are plastic. But there's something about a natural gourd...
Take care,
R J 'Tree' Greenwood
Catlett VA
From: Nancy/Fred Leetch [mailto:leetch"at"wcnet.org]
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 3:09 PM
Subject: Gourd access caps
The Purple Martin Conservation Association (
http://purplemartin.org) has a lot of information on using gourds as bird houses. In particular their catalog contains an access opening which can be attached to the gourd. It provides a 4 inch circular access and has a waterproof cap. Details are shown at:
http://purplemartin.org/shop/product_info.php?cPath=35
&products_id=292&osCsid=982bef6fd569a28a5f5a955d58e0b0ff
Fred in Bowling Green, OH
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